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March 26th, 2008

Filed under: Copley and Districts Progress Association News — newseditor @ 9:43 pm

This is the latest news from Copley & District Progress Association submitted by Rose. Keep an eye out for more updates in the CDPA News category.

  • Progress has received a cheque from Community Benefit S.A. for the amount of $11,000. This is to be used to install new doors in the hall, & also carry out much needed repairs to it.
  • Flinders Power has notified us of increased water rates, which we are currently negotiating.
  • On Thursday evening 10th of April the CDPA will be providing a BBQ tea for “Wings On The Road”, a group of RFDS members & their support crew who are riding from the Outback (Alice Springs) to the Sea (Adelaide). They will be doing this the hard way – i.e. on the dirt roads & not bitumen! Please come along & help us welcome them, & make a donation to this worthy cause.
  • CDPA has negotiated with Patrick Sewell to empty the community (main street) rubbish bins on a weekly basis.
  • We have purchased a new laptop computer & accessories to facilitate easier management of the running of the CDPA.
  • Committee & community members attended a meeting with Lorraine Edmunds, who spoke about the Mountains Of Memory Projects.
  • New water tanks have arrived. They will be placed at the hall, old school house, information bay & Copley Cricket Club.
  • Perilya in conjunction with ongoing tree planting will be doing more on the greening of Copley project.
  • A train awareness program will be run in the near future, to educate children on the safety of the train shunting which will take place later on.

225 Comments

  1. Rose, is there a possibility that the CDPA rubbish collection service could be extended to help out aged and disabled community members if they need a hand? – amt

    Comment by newseditor — March 27, 2008 @ 10:32 pm

  2. I think that is something that would need to be negotiated privately with Patrick, but I will bring it up at the next meeting.

    Comment by Rose — March 28, 2008 @ 7:53 am

  3. Not sure where I got the idea that Progress Associations were there to ‘look after’ the community. Is the community just the businesses and tourist ventures in Copley?
    Where would these businesses be without the support of all those older citizens who have put so much energy and years into the town? Isn’t it time that CDPA put community and the people which make up that community, first instead of last…way behind business, tourism, and bank accounts.
    What is so hard about getting Patrick to drive over the rail line, after cleaning up the business road, and collecting the rubbish for those who can’t do it themselves? Why don’t we have this service already? Someone told me that the people wouldn’t pay for a rubbish bin to be put out for collection once a week. I would, and would pay my $2 or whatever to the person doing it…I’m sure everyone else would too, who don’t have the means to fill a trailer and get it to the dump.
    We elected these people in to take care of these things? It is their job.

    Comment by di Su Pointed — March 29, 2008 @ 1:22 pm

  4. Some time ago the CDPA tried to negotiate with NRG to have the rubbish picked up by the town garbage truck as it goes past here on its way to the dump, however they wouldn’t come at it. I suspect that why we don’t have someone already emptying bins is that we haven’t found anyone who is willing to do it. I suggest that if people want this service then they should write to the CDPA requesting that they give it consideration.

    Comment by Rose — March 30, 2008 @ 1:32 pm

  5. Is the pen mightier than the sword…
    Will we get a reply?
    Why can’t we have town meetings?
    Who was that masked sign erector?
    Questions, questions, but no answers….
    Sir Spense

    Comment by Sir Spense — March 31, 2008 @ 12:59 pm

  6. A letter carries more weight. If you put something in writing, then it has to be acknowledged & acted upon.

    Comment by Rose — March 31, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

  7. and the www is mightier than the pen because it offers transparency and probably the only true democracy on earth.

    Comment by newseditor — April 1, 2008 @ 8:36 am

  8. by the way, as far as I know a town can meet whenever they like in australia, no special permissions required.

    Comment by newseditor — April 1, 2008 @ 8:39 am

  9. Thats correct editor, a town can meet whenever they like…Sir Joh Bjelke Peterson in his infinite wisdom once tried to legislate (in Qld) against more than five people associating in public. And the key to good governance to effect healthy democracy is complete transparency of minutes, accounts, and plans…while this may sound simple it all needs to stem from a sound constitution which has majority community support and which has not been confabulated in the furtherance of the vested interests of the few to the detriment of the masses…my mates plato and socrates used to earbash me endlessly about all this stuff in one of my past lives when I was quite a well known emperor of Rome!

    Comment by Nigel — April 1, 2008 @ 12:07 pm

  10. Sure you can have town meetings, but there are different types of town meetings. Presumably the person who asked why we can’t have town meetings meant town meetings with the CDPA. When these meetings have been held in the past, either not enough people have turned up or the meeting has developed into a slanging match between certain people. Those of us that have to get up early the next morning to go to work don’t want to sit there until 11PM or later listening that, or people nitpicking about stupid things like how the minutes of the last meeting was worded.

    Comment by Rose — April 1, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

  11. so, if we do have a town meeting, what would you like on the agenda?

    Comment by mia Ting — April 1, 2008 @ 5:50 pm

  12. Eloquently put Nigel. Couldn’t have written it better myself.
    [not that I can profess to such an impressive list of past life acquaintance, alas I was merely a guard robe man in one life
    and a leper in another].

    Rose, I do feel a simple stepping stone over the problems of the past could be a ‘code of conduct’ that each person actually needs to read and agree to. AND a strong Chair, who actually ‘chairs’ a meeting.
    Getting people to attend? Maybe, we should try holding one,
    who knows…

    KiCkInG BiRd

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — April 1, 2008 @ 6:41 pm

  13. Discussion on town meeting agenda has been moved to a new thread 1/4/08

    Comment by newseditor — April 1, 2008 @ 10:29 pm

  14. What may I ask, is the
    request for a NewSLeTteR
    for Copley & District –

    I was sure, that we had one??

    Alas, am I but a fool and must realise
    ’twas only a ‘Claytons’ copy I spy……

    Comment by KicKinG BiRd — April 19, 2008 @ 11:11 pm

  15. it seems that many of the CDPA committee members read the posts on here…this is very good. Maybe some good ideas will sink in through the eyeballs, as writing letters doesn’t seem to be the opening to communication as either member writers expect, nor for the expectations of some of the more enlightened committee members who are trying against the odds, it seems, to be voices of common sense.
    Maybe the executive support position applicant will be able to free the committee members from their heavy progress load of decision-making, and get some letters answered. Sounds like the exec assistant will be running CDPA….and getting paid to do it too…is this so? :o))

    Comment by di — June 6, 2008 @ 11:55 pm

  16. Yes, many of the current CDPA members do read the posts on here. And why wouldn’t they, seeing that they’re hosting (read paying) for this site. Which begs the question – who hijacked the original website (www.copley.org. au) & started this one without having the courtesy to ask permission first?

    Comment by Rose — June 8, 2008 @ 2:04 pm

  17. oooh, this is starting to read like an “us and them”
    – please o please
    play nicely, share your bat ‘n ball and at the end of the day, shake
    hands and sleep peacefully….

    Comment by H. Armony — June 8, 2008 @ 5:04 pm

  18. Actually, as it is my profession, I designed and produced the original website for Copley in 2006 (with Fiona’s text and Noven’s assistance on the server side), albeit unpaid, which was part of a promotional package for the town and its businesses and activities and was hosted on Magedata, as it is continues to be now.

    That site is now archived at http://copley.magedata.net/

    In 2007, Simon and Noven undertook the somewhat grueling task of redeveloping the information architecture of the site to use Joomla, which, like this blog software, is vastly more versatile than old style html sites (pre ‘Web 2.0’). Basically, this means that now the Copley community domain (www.copley.org.au) has laid the foundations for further development into areas of online commerce, promotion, community communications, community member projects… and this task is open to whomever has the vision and energy to learn the skills to run with it. That was the whole point of the redevelopment: usability and connectivity.

    The reason for initiating this Copley Community News site was to begin that process by providing a web area that branched off from the Copley website which was easy to manage (with contemporary CSS platform software) in order for a) the Copley Newsletter to be uploaded and b) the Greening Copley group to communicate with each other and the community. Since then as you have all witnessed over the past few months this site has grown into other arenas of community discussion.

    As you can see on the Links sidebar, and the visitor log at the bottom of this page, this blog has never hijacked or replaced the Copley website, in fact it provides quite a lot of traffic *to* the Copley website, which is alive and well, if not aging slowly at http://copley.org.au/

    Why not start your own blog on the Copley domain? Or learn CSS and develop the Copley site? That’s the idea.

    If it’s all too much for the people of Copley to handle I’m happy to donate a final five minutes of community spirit to delete the directories, leave the keys under the mat and get on with minding my own business rather than giving it away.

    Comment by newseditor — June 8, 2008 @ 8:13 pm

  19. I am glad that has been sorted, newseditor. It seems permission notes are required in Copley for all activities, at present. Shall we revisit the Peasant Burlesque poem? Maybe the idea of “Copley, the Musical” is a very good idea.

    Comment by Friends of Kicking Bird Society — June 8, 2008 @ 8:42 pm

  20. So why does it say that the site is hosted by Magedata, courtesy of the Copley & Districts Progress Association, & why do the CDPA get the bill for it?

    Comment by Rose — June 8, 2008 @ 9:33 pm

  21. This community news blog is entirely within the spirit of what the site was originally designed to enable. The main copley.org.au site was designed with flexibility and extensibility in mind, so whatever ideas came to the fore could be easily put into practice within an existing framework.

    It is my understanding that Simon set up this news blog to create something interactive and beneficial to the community, and stimulate ideas for further potential and utilisation of the domain. He left the main site alone as the understanding was that everything on the main site had to be approved by CDPA, so he utilised excess capacity and a subdomain in the hope that as people saw the benefits it could be integrated more tightly with the main Copley site. At present no ‘hijacking’ of the CDPA site has occurred, and no additional charges have been incurred due to it.

    As a technical point in web terms hosting is not equal to paying for a site – the web side of my business relies on people paying me to ‘host’ their site for them. Although it is by no means mandatory many of my clients have a little ‘hosted by magedata’ notice on their site. The comment you are referring to is in one place, on the ‘about’ page, and is a technical fact the editor thought worth mentioning. The ‘courtesy of’ part refers to the fact that the CDPA initially paid for the site setup and hasn’t been changed as I guess she is unaware the CDPA haven’t paid the bill.

    In general a site generating this much traffic that didn’t pay its bill would get shut down, but as many of my friends in Copley see it as a valuable community resource I have chosen to let it remain. If the CDPA have a problem with this site I can deregister and take it down on request, or if they have further ideas on how they would like to utilise the site I can assist with that too.

    Comment by Noven — June 8, 2008 @ 11:32 pm

  22. dear newseditor,
    The community wishes you to continue, as it does the newsletter, because we provide a vehicle for their voice which is not evident otherwise. As you have said, this is the most democratic vehicle we have in this community.

    Comment by di — June 8, 2008 @ 11:34 pm

  23. How can CDPA vouch their support for only certain volunteers that they ‘deem worthy’? Do they have no respect for the amount of time newseditor gives towards this blog and the experience and knowledge it takes to set up and maintain this and the website? Where is the ‘thanks for a job well done’?
    Take your questions to the source Rose…speak to Magedata.

    Comment by di — June 8, 2008 @ 11:48 pm

  24. Personally, I can’t see what the problem is. Newseditor is providing a dedicated post for CDPA right here. It is here for communicating any news items and activities CDPA have to spread out to the members.
    The site in particular provides a sharing of information for all those who can access the internet and wish to be involved in all the amazing diverse ideas that highlight Copley and its people. It would be the best advertising for tourism and the various businesses here, as well. All the people of this district are richer for its presence. Newseditor acknowledges the CDPA. It shows that the CDPA are happy to share with their members.

    Comment by di — June 9, 2008 @ 9:48 am

  25. Give me a break! Why would the CDPA want to associate themselves with a site (much less pay for) where certain people constantly criticise them and try to undermine their authority?

    Comment by THE VOICE — June 9, 2008 @ 2:28 pm

  26. When people set themselves above others in their community, don’t communicate nor allow people to join in with the decision-making of their own town, then criticism is to be expected, don’t you think?
    But, what you perceive as criticisms are just plain and simple questions. It is within the rights of all the association members, to know about their constitution, to have a democratic voice in what is to happen in their community and to be informed about what is occurring, and to be listened to when offering support for their community. To listen shows wisdom, maturity and compassion. To shout makes people cover their ears.
    In reality, those of us who are questioning that lack of community involvement have not challenged anyone…yet.
    And what authority is it that you speak of? “THE VOICE”?
    We here are the voices of reason, the voices of community, the voices of justice, the voices of debate, the small voices to be heard. Listen well.

    Comment by Indis Putable — June 9, 2008 @ 5:41 pm

  27. I have been trying to log on here since early this morning to no avail, my internet connection wouldn’t hold up long enough for me to do anything. I must apologise to the newseditor, my comments were not aimed at her. Personally I appreciate the time & expertise which she is so freely giving to keep the site running. I would not like to see it closed, however that is not my decision to make.

    Comment by Rose — June 9, 2008 @ 5:44 pm

  28. Some interesting views in this thread which if one zooms out is pretty much a botanist and gardeners portal for sharing information on how to make life here more wonderful.

    I dont know what the editor or the people who have spent time on the site will plan to do but one thing is obvious.

    This is a site for sharing information and issues of community concern and recently has been abused by several people in the community who have used it as a forum to abuse people they live next door to or around the corner from….strange world we live in where a gift is offered and people trash it !! Be lesson here for everyone…if you keep trashing the place and claiming self importance you are undermining the community and the prospects of the community. Growing trees and protecting the water supply and the native plants and animals is quite fundamental community work which should be encouraged by everyone in the area who wishes the place to improve or at least not become degraded because it became politically incorrect to ask questions.

    My suggestion for this site is for people to contribute positively or not at all…there is plenty of negative crap to watch on TV and the newspapers so maybe it should stay there and this site should continue its role in promoting plants, clean water and a healthy community.

    Thanks Ann-Maree, Simon, and Noven for making this technology available and I hope the editor screens out abuse and negative commentary in the future because it doesnt belong in this forum.

    Nigel

    Comment by nigel — June 9, 2008 @ 8:32 pm

  29. Ah… GrEetings, Mon,
    I reAd AnGry whilst I been aWaY……
    BlEssIngs NiGel for getting back on tRack
    Yes, I aGree –
    go grOw your tRees
    Share yOur lauGHter
    CollEct the waTer that fAlls from the sKy – for fRee…
    Do, sAy, bE NIcE to the peRson liVing next to yOu
    and many bleSsings to SimOn, NoVen and Ann MaRee…
    UFTW….

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — June 9, 2008 @ 11:05 pm

  30. Ohh, I sAw thaT woRd aUthOrIty…..
    Mr OrWeLl wElcomE hOme….IS IT ReALLY 1984?l

    EnjoY the RaIn thAt yoU receiVe, Let yOur VoiCe feEl it runNing
    oFf of eYeLasheS & fIngeRtIps,….
    KiCkIng BiRd

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — June 10, 2008 @ 9:10 am

  31. “Be who you are and say what you feel…because those that matter…… don’t mind….and those that mind….. don’t matter!!!!”

    Comment by Indis Putable — June 10, 2008 @ 11:48 am

  32. Dear Rose, actually dear lady, it is the decision for all members of the association. This is not something which can be decided by the ‘authority’ of the committee. All the members ‘own’ and ‘paid for’ the original site. The members…not the committee!!!! It should be put to the members for their thoughts, for debate. You are but one member Rose, and you do have a right to voice your opinion. You can say “NO”. Thank you for your support.

    Comment by Indis Putable — June 10, 2008 @ 12:00 pm

  33. Oh, ’tis sad times when it comes down to ego, authority and
    and elitism…… I bow my head in shame, and can only hope the
    rain cultivates grey matter, commonsense and re-growth of the
    shrubs and bush that have battled the drought.
    Keep with it and stay on track – you will have Copley a little green oasis. Nil desparandum!!!!

    Comment by Eli Tism — June 11, 2008 @ 1:10 pm

  34. Who was it that had the song Ego Is A Dirty Word – Skyhooks, wasn’t it? 😉

    Comment by Rose — June 11, 2008 @ 4:52 pm

  35. Congratulations to Pamela on her new position

    Comment by di — June 11, 2008 @ 11:30 pm

  36. PS association members…water rates go up from July 1st…is that right Rose?

    Comment by di — June 11, 2008 @ 11:32 pm

  37. Yes, water rates go up as from July 1st.

    Comment by Rose — June 12, 2008 @ 9:45 am

  38. Why??????

    Comment by E. Nquirery — June 12, 2008 @ 10:42 am

  39. It seems that water is the dirty word at present. I have been thinking about the water usage here in Copley.
    *Is the usage in excess of the payments received? As we don’t have access to the accounts, this is just a supposition. Is this the reason for the water rate rise? Or is there another, more sinister reason?
    *Approximately 25 homes and 5 businesses ?pay? for the water from Aroona dam. The aboriginal housing trust pays for their water usage….yes? Do the businesses pay the same amount per block as the residents do? Are their rates the same?
    *I know that some people have had problems with meters, some have had water leaks and much was lost when many pipes burst when there was a major rapid rise in water pressure last year. I am still perplexed as to the cause of that blow-out.
    *Some of us have difficulty finding the money for the water bills now, so this is going to be more of a problem in the future. Maybe a payment plan could be sorted out for us pensioners.
    *Where does the money go that is paid as the service fee? I was told that it was put into an account for repairs. As the repairs are mostly done by volunteers I assume the money is for fittings and tools. Next question….where are those fittings? The last few pipe leaks had to use bits and pieces for repairs.
    *Should we not be planning for self-sufficiency for water, for water-saving strategies, for more recycling of grey water and for using bore water which is available on several properties in town?
    *I realise the incorrect pressure pipes were installed many years ago, which has not been addressed. Is this the reason so much water is wasted? None of us can afford to waste water..it is ‘more precious than gold’.
    *As you said Rose, many on the CDPA committee read this blog…I think it is about time they came out of hiding and answered some of these questions instead of expecting you to take the pressure/fall all the time. you are the only one who has the courage…dare I say ‘balls’ to be here. We appreciate that. You can hold your head up, knowing you have done your best. You are communicating, you are debating. Good onya!! :))

    Comment by di — June 12, 2008 @ 10:29 pm

  40. Has a date been set for this year’s AGM for CDPA? If so are we ‘allowed’ to know when that is more than one week prior? Can it be advertised here?

    Comment by di — June 12, 2008 @ 10:32 pm

  41. Could you let me know the proper procedure for sending letters to CDPA, ensuring an answer? It seems that either writing to ‘the secretary’ or the ‘chairperson’ and posted through Australia Post, nor handed to in person, seems to warrant a reply.
    Is the ‘white filing cabinet’ being used when letters are sent by association members? Or maybe the ‘too hard basket’ is over stuffed and they ‘fell’ down the cracks in the floor?

    #

    “A letter carries more weight. If you put something in writing, then it has to be acknowledged & acted upon.”

    Comment by Rose — March 31, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

    Comment by di — June 12, 2008 @ 10:42 pm

  42. (1) I think the discussion on the water issue is best left until later on.

    (2) No, there has not been a date set yet for the AGM.

    (3) Yes, I hear what you are saying about the letters. However there is a limit to how many times the same questions can or will be answered. And further to that, replying to letters will NOT be part of the Executive Support Assistant’s job.

    Comment by Rose — June 13, 2008 @ 12:20 pm

  43. thank you for that information Rose. As I didn’t see a list of duties for that position, I thought it reasonable to ask.
    As for the water issues…later is never better. If we as a community are to get on top of this problem, yesterday was the best time to talk about it and do something.
    I also think that the community deserves to be informed and given some answers about the rise in water rates. A town meeting to discuss this has been suggested and talked about at length in the other post listing.
    It seems obvious that CDPA have no answers to these issues, and don’t seem to wish to debate nor inform the members so the community itself will discuss it together. You are perfectly welcome to join in as long as the ‘code of conduct’ is adhered to.
    Just for pedanticality [kewl word invention] we shall call it a ‘get-together’ and not a ‘meeting’. What silliness we have to deal with eh!!! Rose!!!
    As for the AGM, after the last debacle I think it would be a good idea if those wishing to apply for committee positions should let the members know ahead of time, how they see the future direction of Copley and district, let us know a little about themselves and what their skills are to prepare them for this role.
    What do you think?
    I would also like to know what the permanent employees of businesses have contributed to Copley other than raising their hands [or elbows, as the case may be].

    Comment by di — June 13, 2008 @ 1:53 pm

  44. As far as the water issue goes, all I will say at this point is keep your eyes on the Packsaddle noticeboard.
    Yes, perhaps those wishing to apply for committee positions could let us know.
    As for the permanent employees of business, I don’t know the answer to that one. Perhaps you should ask them?

    Comment by Rose — June 13, 2008 @ 2:18 pm

  45. the question is 42

    Comment by di — June 13, 2008 @ 10:32 pm

  46. “I have spread my dreams under your feet.
    Tread softly, for you tread on my dream.”
    — William Butler Yeats

    Comment by gina — June 14, 2008 @ 12:14 am

  47. The answer is 44! 😉

    Comment by Rose — June 14, 2008 @ 7:57 am

  48. I am a hitch hiker on this planet called Earth
    and all of this nonsense seems tiny compared
    to the immensity of space and stars
    floating above this small town’s affairs

    How can one feel so regal and smart
    referring thus to grains of sand
    upon this beach of greater beings
    us thinking the earth upon us stands

    Turtle island swims in vacant space
    distance between each island vast
    and yet we squabble about small things
    that matter not in present or past

    it is the future we must invest
    with thoughts of care and nurturing
    of this small place on this small land
    within this sea of turtle’s swimming

    how do we set aside our woes
    to nurture turtle island instead?
    stop bickering about small things
    that matter not outside your head

    we are all here to see it out
    to live our lives in light and dark
    to feel connections with each soul
    enlightening thus along the path

    Comment by hitch hiker — June 16, 2008 @ 2:58 pm

  49. Community Meeting has been organised by CDPA to discuss water rates in Copley. It will be held on Saturday 28th at 11 am at the Copley Hall. Thank you Jamie for dropping this information in to me and letting the older folk know about it.

    Comment by di — June 20, 2008 @ 7:28 pm

  50. Yes, discussion of water rates only. All other agendas……are off the agenda! 😉

    Comment by Rose — June 21, 2008 @ 7:23 am

  51. Hmm, why dosen’t that surprise us? 😉
    Not to worry, Winter Fair discussion at Di’s after the water meeting. Bring some food to share and a sense of humour.
    gina

    Comment by gina — June 21, 2008 @ 5:51 pm

  52. “A letter carries more weight. If you put something in writing, then it has to be acknowledged & acted upon.”

    Comment by Rose — March 31, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

    How come they haven’t answerer my last letter? Anyone else waiting for answers?
    gina

    Comment by gina — June 21, 2008 @ 5:55 pm

  53. 😳 😳 😳 😳

    Comment by gina — June 21, 2008 @ 9:14 pm

  54. *see point #12 town planning meeting – please read and consider!!
    Thank you
    gina

    Comment by gina — June 22, 2008 @ 2:23 pm

  55. Gina, I think you are missing the point here. This town meeting is being called to discuss the water issue, & nothing more. Not the Constitution, not the newsletter, not the number of signs that have been put up around town, or the zinc train etc. – just the water.

    Comment by Rose — June 22, 2008 @ 9:10 pm

  56. Yes, shame about that.
    gina

    Comment by gina — June 22, 2008 @ 10:02 pm

  57. Lucky we are having a meeting then 😉

    Comment by gina — June 22, 2008 @ 10:07 pm

  58. Well there is a limit to how much discussion you can fit into an hour!

    Comment by Rose — June 23, 2008 @ 9:38 am

  59. No worries Rose, I hear ya:)

    Comment by gina — June 23, 2008 @ 10:08 am

  60. Rose [and other CDPA folk lurking/using this blog] – I am assuming that there will be a water audit/stat available at this meeting?
    Cheers
    gina

    Comment by gina — June 23, 2008 @ 3:53 pm

  61. You would need to ask Paul that, however he is away at he moment.

    Comment by Rose — June 23, 2008 @ 5:10 pm

  62. Actually Gina, I have several letters and emails which have not been answered.
    Will Paul be back for the meeting?
    Does the town grind to a halt when he is away?
    Does no one else make decisions? I believe Jamie takes the reins while Paul is unavailable. Is this correct? Can he make the decision to have that information available for the TOWN MEETING ABOUT THE WATER?
    Is the meeting just to tell us, the residents, that water rates are going up….that will take about 2 seconds. Most of us wish to know why. We all know that water is precious and the cost of getting it to our homes and gardens needs to be graded to the CPI. If there had been gradual rises over the years, this problem would not be occurring, unless there are other reasons……..

    Comment by di — June 23, 2008 @ 5:48 pm

  63. Wash your mouth out with chocolate girl!!!

    Comment by gina — June 23, 2008 @ 7:00 pm

  64. 🙄

    Comment by di — June 23, 2008 @ 7:36 pm

  65. Yes, Paul will be back for the meeting. Yes, other people do make decisions while he’s away. As for the rest of the answers, you will just have to wait until Saturday…

    Comment by Rose — June 23, 2008 @ 8:01 pm

  66. Oh!!!! I am standing beside myself in anticipation……….

    Comment by di — June 23, 2008 @ 10:09 pm

  67. AhHhhhh.
    There iS a mOvie you should All wAtch
    – A hoLlyWooD ClaSsic

    CoLoneL EfFinGham’s RaId –

    ‘fess Up, wHo amonGst you wrOte the Script?

    WiLl have To gEt it tO CoPley for your AmusemEnt…

    PeAce & LiGht to yOu aLL…
    KiCkInG BiRd

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — June 27, 2008 @ 12:20 pm

  68. Kadoish, Kadoish, Kadoish, Adonai Tsebayoth!
    Kadoish, Kadoish, Kadoish, Adonai Tsebayoth!
    Kadoish, Kadoish, Kadoish, Adonai Tsebayoth!

    Comment by gina — June 28, 2008 @ 7:29 pm

  69. On the way home from the water meeting on Saturday, Fionn said
    he tried to shush the people who were angry as it hurt his hears!
    Fionn is only 6 years old, but his is very smart.
    I really enjoyed it at Di’s afterwards and Fionn loved your funny jokes. Can you make up some about Dinosaurs?
    Morgaine xx

    Comment by Morgaine — June 29, 2008 @ 1:55 pm

  70. A meeting was called by CDPA to discuss WATER ONLY on Saturday. 4 committee members were there to ????’cordially greet’??? the few members of the association who had bothered to turn up. All up, there were 11 members at the meeting and 3 children and one dog. Good roll up!!! Shows either the apathy of the rest of the members, or that the meeting was yet again, poorly advertised. Or maybe no-one was really needed to ratify the committee’s decision to raise the water rates by a whopping 20%.
    The behaviour of certain members was appalling, the chairperson ineffective, the committee members condescending, and the lack of information showed a state of unpreparedness not worthy of our support as our representatives.
    There are several questions concerning the rate rise decision and on what statistics that decision was based. According to the committee, there is a shortfall of $13,000, touted as ‘unpaid’ water bills. No details concerning the length of time this amount has been outstanding were available. Actually, no information was available. The question begs….was this metered water or not?
    Comments made about the availability of water for our town were naive in the least. To say that “the dam is full, so we can use as much as we want as long as we pay for it,” begs another question….are these people who are our representatives, capable of logical thought processes? and do they have a vision of the future here?
    Another pertinent question is….why are the residents required to pay for a rise in their water usage, when the businesses, who use much more water, (over 300 MegaL) can have a drop. Over a year, this would add up to a substantial saving (around $6,000 +) for one business alone. A few of the businesses resell the water to the tourists. In essence, this means that the residents of Copley will be paying for the water used by tourists…nice deal if you can get it. It makes one wonder who is actually running CDPA. The added money gleaned from the residents will do nothing towards the shortfall amount stated. The local mining company would also be in this category of mega-users of water. They have a huge benefit coming their way. Thank you CDPA for selling our water to passers-by who contribute nothing except money to businesses and to a mining company which is desecrating a sacred site. Makes one wonder where you will be in a few years when all the resources are depleted, the mining companies go elsewhere and all you have to ‘rule over’ is a gigantic hole in the ground!!!, no water and no tourist will want to venture here because of the toxicity of the air, ground and WATER….hellooooooooooooo?????? How will your 30 pieces of silver help you then?

    Comment by di — June 29, 2008 @ 2:16 pm

  71. Ahhh – never let the truth interfere with a good story eh? As usual, you have chosen to put your own spin on things!

    Comment by Jono — July 1, 2008 @ 12:55 pm

  72. Ahh, did we heAr a slithEr, did we heAr a hiSSSSSSSSSS,
    did JoNo comeTh tO maKe uS LaUgh,
    iS JoNo fulL oF …………………..
    [plEase feeL frEe to filL in the MissIng woRd – iF U cAn, maKe it
    rhYme…..]

    KiCkInG BiRd

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — July 1, 2008 @ 4:34 pm

  73. Ahhhhhh, JoNo wRoTe tHe ScrIpt……

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — July 1, 2008 @ 4:35 pm

  74. colonel effingham rides again!!!!

    Comment by di Abolic — July 1, 2008 @ 5:04 pm

  75. Kadoish, Kadoish, Kadoish, Adonai Tsebayoth!
    Kadoish, Kadoish, Kadoish, Adonai Tsebayoth!
    Kadoish, Kadoish, Kadoish, Adonai Tsebayoth!

    Comment by di — July 1, 2008 @ 8:46 pm

  76. “they want to plant trees in the town….they all have water bills….lets charge it to their water bills” Colonel Effingham’s Raid, starring Charles Coburn and Joan Bennet. A Hollywood Classic.

    Comment by di — July 3, 2008 @ 2:23 pm

  77. Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but usually manages to pick himself up, walk over or around it, and carry on.
    – Churchill.

    Comment by gina — July 4, 2008 @ 10:03 pm

  78. You can’t depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus. Mark Twain

    Comment by gina — July 4, 2008 @ 10:52 pm

  79. You can’t depend on other peoples description of an event
    if you did not experience it yourself…..

    Comment by Gina — July 6, 2008 @ 7:33 pm

  80. No you can’t depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus, particularly if you have been smoking too many funny cigarettes.

    Comment by Jeff — July 7, 2008 @ 9:53 am

  81. re #79.
    Now I need to ask ‘Jono’ – Were You at the town
    water meeting?

    Comment by gina — July 7, 2008 @ 11:40 am

  82. “What progress we are making. In the Middle Ages they would have burned me. Now they are content with burning the Truth..

    [apologies to ~Sigmund Freud, 1933.]

    Comment by gina — July 7, 2008 @ 11:45 am

  83. Zen maxim “Great Doubt: great awakening. Little Doubt: little awakening.”

    Comment by gina — July 7, 2008 @ 11:47 am

  84. did Mark Twain smoke?

    Comment by di — July 7, 2008 @ 12:14 pm

  85. Was I at the town water meeting? That’s for me to know and you to wonder about!

    Comment by Jono — July 7, 2008 @ 1:41 pm

  86. Is that the voice of experience, Jeff?

    Comment by di — July 7, 2008 @ 2:02 pm

  87. WhAt, nOt enOugh oIlcHaNgEs JoNo?

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — July 7, 2008 @ 2:22 pm

  88. “You can’t reason a man out of a position he has not reasoned himself into.” – Oscar Wilde

    Comment by gina — July 8, 2008 @ 9:04 pm

  89. He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.
    Martin Luther King, Jr.

    Comment by di — July 8, 2008 @ 9:25 pm

  90. Hello to all. This is my first post, and I’m sure many are surprised that I have decided to enter this forum. Many, however, may be offended by what I have to say. I was toying with the idea of hiding behind a pseudonym – Ghost Bear, came to mind. I thought it suited me because I am large and a little hairy, and a majority of this community seem to look right through me, but what really suits me is my own name because to use it shows another side of the bear – courage.
    It seems there are a few people on this forum that have become a little too self-righteous in their postings, quoting famous people, spiritual mantras and generally using their ‘education’ to belittle others. There is one comment in particular which contains very misleading information, and I do realize pointing this out may strain relations with someone who I respect, and that is comment #70. There is a reference to the meeting being poorly advertised, yet in comment #49 the time and place is clearly there for all to see and was posted by the same person. I also saw a notice about the upcoming meeting on the board at the Packsaddle. There was also references to why the rates were going up – by reading the report that these comments are attached to, it is stated that Flinders Power was raisng the rates – does everyone expect the CDPA to pay more for water supply and for our rates to remain the same?
    There are quite a few more ‘holes’ in that particular comment, but I feel enough has been said. A lot of your arguments are compelling, but if you purport to be speaking with the voice of reason, please use the intonation of truth and honesty in your words.

    Comment by Colin — July 9, 2008 @ 12:22 am

  91. NOTICE TO COPLEY RESIDENTS

    The following comment about the CDPA (Copley & Districts Progress Association) was found in a public forum on the internet, and has been reprinted in order to provide residents with a better understanding of the role, responsibilities and limitations of the CDPA. Numbers in brackets have been placed in areas of concern, and the responses are appropriately numbered. Some numbers are repeated, as responses already made cover these issues.

    ———————————————————————————————————————————
    “A meeting was called by CDPA to discuss WATER ONLY on Saturday (1). 4 committee members were there to ????’cordially greet’??? the few members of the association who had bothered to turn up. All up, there were 11 members at the meeting and 3 children and one dog. Good roll up!!! Shows either the apathy of the rest of the members, or that the meeting was yet again, poorly advertised (2). Or maybe no-one was really needed to ratify the committee’s decision to raise the water rates by a whopping 20% (3).
    The behaviour of certain members was appalling, the chairperson ineffective, the committee members condescending, and the lack of information showed a state of unpreparedness not worthy of our support as our representatives (4).
    There are several questions concerning the rate rise decision and on what statistics that decision was based (3). According to the committee, there is a shortfall of $13,000, touted as ‘unpaid’ water bills (5). No details concerning the length of time this amount has been outstanding were available. Actually, no information was available (4). The question begs….was this metered water or not? (6)
    Comments made about the availability of water for our town were naive in the least. To say that “the dam is full, so we can use as much as we want as long as we pay for it,” begs another question….are these people who are our representatives, capable of logical thought processes? and do they have a vision of the future here? (7)
    Another pertinent question is….why are the residents required to pay for a rise in their water usage, when the businesses, who use much more water, (over 300 MegaL) can have a drop. Over a year, this would add up to a substantial saving (around $6,000 +) for one business alone (8). A few of the businesses resell the water to the tourists . In essence, this means that the residents of Copley will be paying for the water used by tourists…nice deal if you can get it (9). It makes one wonder who is actually running CDPA (10). The added money gleaned from the residents will do nothing towards the shortfall amount stated (11). The local mining company would also be in this category of mega-users of water. They have a huge benefit coming their way (12). Thank you CDPA for selling our water to passers-by (9) who contribute nothing except money to businesses (13) and to a mining company which is desecrating a sacred site (14). Makes one wonder where you will be in a few years when all the resources are depleted, the mining companies go elsewhere and all you have to ‘rule over’ is a gigantic hole in the ground!!!, no water and no tourist will want to venture here because of the toxicity of the air, ground and WATER(15) ….hellooooooooooooo ?????? How will your 30 pieces of silver help you then?”
    ————————————————————————————————————

    The following responses are offered with factual information included.

    (1) The meeting was convened solely to discuss water management issues, including the possibility of handing over administration of the town water supply to the OACDT. As this was an extremely important debate, no other issues were on the agenda at that time, allowing the committee to give their full attention to this matter.

    (2) The location and time were advertised locally and on the internet. Attendance of meetings by residents is not mandatory; therefore it is up to the residents if they wish to be involved in proceedings.

    (3) The decision to raise water rates is based on the fact that NRG Flinders is raising the rates which the CDPA have to pay in order to supply water to Copley. If the CDPA was to absorb this cost, the funds needed to pay for the town water supply would eventually exceed revenue raised. If any members had vetoed this action, the future of a reliable and clean water supply for Copley would be uncertain.

    (4) It is a pre-requisite for all members seeking information regarding CDPA matters to write a formal letter requesting the appropriate details. Written information regarding matters currently under discussion cannot be supplied until after the meeting has been adjourned.

    (5) Several community members have defaulted on their water accounts and are in arrears for well over a 24 month period, so just a small percentage of residents who have unpaid water bills can create that kind of deficit.

    (6) All water in Copley is metered. Any water lost due to leaks within the Copley water infrastructure, i.e.: outside the boundaries of business or residential premises, is incumbent upon the CDPA and is recorded as a loss. Water lost due to leaks inside property boundaries is to be paid for by the owner of the premises.

    (7) The CDPA is very concerned when it comes to availability and use of water, both in the present and in the future. It is up to the residents to be conscious of how much water they use – the CDPA has been consistently conservative of its water use around Copley and intends to continue that trend.

    (8) Both residents and businesses in Copley are paying exactly the same rates and there is no discount for higher usage – rates increase in proportion to the increase of water used over a set volume. Tariffs may be adjusted in the near future so that there will be only two rates for water usage instead of three. As for usage in excess of 300 MegaLitres – this is a typographical error; all usage is recorded in KiloLitres. As a point of reference, Aroona Dam’s maximum capacity is 4,460 MegaLitres.

    (9) Any resident or business in Copley is entitled to resell their water – the resident or business that supplies the water bears the costs incurred on their account alone. The water that is made available to tourists at the information bay is paid for by the OACDT.

    (10) The persons that make up the CDPA committee are volunteers.

    (11) If there is any excess raised by the CDPA through water revenue, it is put into an account which is used to assist with payment of other utilities that residents are not charged for directly, such as streetlights. To date, no excess revenue has been achieved.

    (12) Mining companies in this area have separate water meters and are charged rates by NRG Flinders, not the CDPA. Water supply from Aroona Dam is currently under the management of NRG Flinders.

    (13) Tourism helps stimulate community growth and gives Copley better access to funding for community projects. Departments that supply grants to outback communities are primarily focused on ventures that give services to everybody, not just a small group. Some of the grants supplied are a once only deal, which means that the community has to raise money in order to provide maintenance to keep the projects running. Without tourism, this would be a major concern – especially if a majority of the community is unemployed.

    (14) The issue regarding the mining operation on a sacred site belongs with the respective parties that negotiated the mining lease – the CDPA is not one of these entities and no affiliation should be inferred or implied.

    (15) The CDPA can only act within the boundaries of its constitution. It is a committee of volunteers elected by the community to facilitate the management of specific town services. There is a limit to the authority of the CDPA, and it should not be held responsible for circumstances that are not under its control.

    ————————————————————————————————————–
    Note: This document has been reviewed by the CDPA chairperson, and although it has been agreed that the information contained in responses is factual, it must be made clear that the chairperson and committee do not endorse the content or any personal views expressed by the author of this notice.
    ————————————————————————————————————————————

    Comment by The Voice — July 9, 2008 @ 1:43 pm

  92. The Voice??????? for who, what, where, why??????????

    Comment by gina — July 9, 2008 @ 2:08 pm

  93. “We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started…and know the place for the very first time.” -T.S. Elliot

    Comment by gina — July 9, 2008 @ 2:10 pm

  94. Note: This document has been reviewed by the CDPA chairperson, and although it has been agreed that the information contained in responses is factual, it must be made clear that the chairperson and committee do not endorse the content or any personal views expressed by the author of this notice.
    Hmm, what is the point????

    Quote:The following responses are offered with factual information included.
    What is all this? sounds like something YOU KNOW WHO would write!!!

    Comment by gina — July 9, 2008 @ 2:46 pm

  95. Yahhh, Hi Colin, welcome, good to hear you.

    Each of us do very much ‘sing’ our own truth and honesty but, I guess
    that can also depend on who’s eyeballs we look from…

    No, not self -righteous to quote famous people or to use mantras –
    these ‘ol guys had their acts together and in very few words give
    us the gift of their insight & wisdom.

    Peace & Light Colin, enjoy the blog

    Comment by gina — July 9, 2008 @ 11:43 pm

  96. The following comment about the CDPA (Copley & Districts Progress Association) was found in a public forum on the internet

    Was is lost?

    Comment by gina — July 9, 2008 @ 11:46 pm

  97. Welcome aboard Colin, I am pleased that you have entered the debate. One thing to remember is that friends don’t always agree on everything, but listen to each other. It is healthy to keep an open mind, to allow the freedom for debate on issues that you are passionate about, and to think broadly and laterally about those issues. Then, when the discussion is ended, or you agree to disagree, your friendship remains intact.
    Unfortunately, not everyone feels this way. Instead, when a person doesn’t have the same opinion, they consider them enemies and begin striking out in all directions to discredit that person, or ostracise them, or spread gossip about them. I find this behaviour childish in the extreme. I know you are not one of these people.
    Concerning you comment about the quotes, I believe this is a free blog and if someone feels that someone has said something which fits the situation and has said it much better than you could ever say it, then why not add the quote? The spiritual mantras are a personal stance and personal choice to add some perspective into the subject in question.
    As for the rates going up, at no point has anyone said this was not acceptable. I did suggest that a slower increase would have been more beneficial, especially for those on fixed incomes. This was discussed at the meeting and I apologise for not adding this in my comments. What I did point out though, was the inequity of the rises, with high-end users being given a lower rate. This doesn’t give a message of water economy.
    I have spoken with quite a few people in the town, who knew nothing of the meeting. They don’t go to the general store in town for various reasons, or they are not computer literate and therefore do not read the blog. Sometimes messages only get out there by word of mouth. I find this often the best way, and open discussion of the issues with the community at organised town meetings on a regular basis would be preferable. Most of the people I have spoken with lately have discussed this as an answer to many of the issues now being raised in the blog. Of course, respecting the people of the community is essential and conduct in meetings should reflect this.

    Concerning the last comment, I will speak with you in private.

    Comment by di — July 10, 2008 @ 12:01 am

  98. I thank ‘the Voice’ for finally answering some pertinent questions. It has taken a lot of discussion to get at least this little snippet.
    I am sure we are all relieved to hear that CDPA is being responsible with water use and at last is speaking with a voice of reason instead of the usual diatribe and accusation for asking a question.
    You are awake!!!
    Apologies for getting the mega/kilo measurement wrong.
    May I, at this point discuss the question of high-end users. The previous rate for over 300k/l was $1.83k/l…agreed? With the drop to only 2 rates any usage over 135k/l at $1.77k/l will be the top rate…yes? This is a rate decrease. Do you see where I am going with this path of reasoning? As I stated to Colin in the previous post, (Please note all my comments) no one is arguing about the need for a rise. Certainly there are many more questions as there always will be, but isn’t this a better way to solve issues, to answer questions without yelling, without getting in a ‘snit’ because you think those questions are attacks on you personally?
    Can you just go into your imaginations just for a little while and see how co operation, communication with the townspeople and respect across the board, can bring a modicum of peace? We could all work together and get heaps done for the community. We could listen when someone has a problem. We could develop Copley into a centre of excellence, into a town worth visiting. Everyone would benefit. This is my ideal (and again, I make no apologies for being an idealist and keeping those ideals centred on the community)
    I consider myself one of the richest people on this planet because I live here with friends, with the most magnificent landscape around me, with breathable air (well, most of the time), with drinkable water, with earth in which we can grow food. It does not stop there, as so much could be done to improve our community’s health, in an holistic way. This includes our physical, emotional and spiritual health. It includes our diverse cultures (whatever they may be). It includes caring for and nurturing each other, our immediate surrounds, our greater backyard out there in the hills, our planet as a whole. Every little thing you do to improve your own life and just one other life, spreads out into the universe as love. Every time you plant a tree or bush or flowers, you are telling the earth that you understand this basic relationship we need to have for the health of ‘mother earth’. There are huge rewards for these little acts of caring and kindness. It is called ‘happiness’.
    I realise that some people here in this very small town do not see what I see, nor care for anything except what is in their bank accounts, and that is their choice in life. We do not need to walk that path for a full and happy life. Unfortunately these people feel the need to attack and try to bring down those who hold such happiness in their hearts and lives. They do not understand it, and for this we feel compassion.
    One thought just now, to end this discussion….always think about reasons for an action, examine it closely, and if it is to harm….don’t do it!!!!! It only works against your own spirit and will reflect in your physical being. Love di

    Comment by di — July 10, 2008 @ 12:48 pm

  99. This is a fascinating news venue and I have seen nothing like it in these parts. As a northern neighbor and self proclaimed ‘greeny’ its a welcome addition to the information available. As far as the news outage…I’m a bit shocked! As an amateur historian I can only liken it to pre war nazi Germany when free speech was systematically removed. (watch the film Fahrenheit 459) My only suggestion would be for an external review of your town administration and progress association. It sounds like you need this as a town divided is a town lost and if the body that represents you doesn’t like free speech that’s a dangerous sign…the general rule of thumb is that people that try to hide information have something to hide..it’s intriguing of course to watch a small town’s dynamics but at some point you need to re-visit the law and the rules of engagement governing the body… if the body is not doing its job for the whole community call in an independant third party from consumer affairs that runs the associations and have all the documents reviewed openly and lay all the cards on the table. Write to your local MP and express whats going on and also to the opposition MP as they love getting stuck into issues that are not attended by their counterparts. Whoever commented above is quite right, tourists and miners are visitors that are here for the quick bucks and will leave a mess and consume whatever in the name of the holy dollar…as far as spiritual mantras are concerned whats wrong with a bit of spirit in a place that has become dense?

    I’ve lived in the area all my life and I’m learning a lot from this site…if it gets disconnected again, I will be writing to my local MP and the federal government as well…be thankful for small mercies and freedom of speech and use whatever avenues you have to ensure protection for your environment and community as the international mining giants sure aren’t thinking about your future or state of well being.

    Gerald

    Comment by Gerald — July 10, 2008 @ 7:11 pm

  100. Lovely to have regional input and good to see you on the site Colin, welcome and hope to hear more from you 🙂

    As far as last comment (99), surely the community can sort out its own garbage without crying to mama, we are all grown ups are we not?

    One more comment on the VOICE:

    Note: This document has been reviewed by the CDPA chairperson, and although it has been agreed that the information contained in responses is factual, it must be made clear that the chairperson and committee do not endorse the content or any personal views expressed by the author of this notice.

    How can a VOICE which is ANONYMOUS be held accountable for anything?

    By the way, unless I get scooped this is the 100th comment on this thread which is a record on the Copley News site!!!

    Comment by Nigel — July 10, 2008 @ 7:36 pm

  101. welcome Gerald and thank you for your comments…right on!!! or is that write on?

    As for Nigel’s comment about us all being adults….. hhhmmmmmmmmmmmm, I do have my doubts after the events of the last few days. (few weeks …oh…few years).
    I did notice on my way back from Leigh Creek, a new and much brighter sign for Gerry’s business. Hopefully this one will remain untouched.
    Congratulations on being the 100th comment, Nigel 🙂

    Comment by di — July 10, 2008 @ 8:27 pm

  102. Di, just whom exactly do you perceive to be the “high end users” of our water? It may surprise you to know that it is not necessarily the businesses that use the most water – there are several private residences which consistently go way over the 300kl per quarter! I agree that a slower price increase would have been good, but it was not an option. And correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t those on a pension get a rebate on their water bill?

    Comment by Rose — July 10, 2008 @ 8:37 pm

  103. Gerald, it is clear from your comments that you don’t fully understand the reason for the “news outage” as you put it – presumably you mean the former site shut down? Freedom of speech is one thing, but when that freedom of speech is being used to constantly bag the town administration and progress association that was supposed to be paying for the site it is a different matter entirely. It’s not because they have anything to hide, it’s a simple case of if you throw enough stones at a hornet’s nest eventually the hornets will retaliate!

    Comment by Rose — July 10, 2008 @ 8:52 pm

  104. DiD YoU KnOw, WhaT HiTleR dId wAs LeGaL, unDer hIs LaWs….
    Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Comment by KicKiNg BiRd — July 11, 2008 @ 12:51 am

  105. I foRgOt tO aSk –
    SuPpOseD to bE PaYiNg?
    LuCkY tHe LoVeLy pEoPle cOme tO oUr reScue aNd we cAn sTiLl pLaY nOw….. If It wAs Up tO PrOgreSS wE wOuLdn’T sTilL bE sHaRiNg wItH eAcH OtHeR DeAr RoSe
    QuEsTioNs nOt WeLcOme?
    WhAt, PrAy tElL iS tHe rEaSoN fOr wItHdRaWiNg fUndInG fOr tHe
    CoPlEy NeWsletteR?
    Do tHe PrOgress hAve ThEir OwN newSleTter uP ‘n RunnIng Yet?
    NoBodY waNt tO PlAy NiCely?
    I hEaR wHisPeR on tHe WiNds, StAtisTiCs aRe ouT oF tHe quEstIon,
    I hEaR oNe LaDy comItteD SoCiAl SuIciDe…..
    OhH sAd
    HaVe wE FoRgOt hOw tO sHaRe LaUgHteR ?

    Comment by KicKiNg BiRd — July 11, 2008 @ 1:16 am

  106. Kicking Bird, questions are always welcome but there is a right way & a wrong way to ask them, as well as a limit to how many times the same question will be answered. And some people seem to want to know every little in & out of the proverbial, when it really is none of their beeswax. Does the word privacy mean anything? The water usage of individual property owners is their business & theirs only – not the self appointed water police.
    As for the funding for the newsletter, the funding was NOT withdrawn, the original grant money was used up. It was not ongoing funding as some seemed to think, it had to be reapplied for. Pretty simple, wouldn’t you agree? As for why it wasn’t reapplied for, maybe someone else can answer that.

    Comment by Rose — July 11, 2008 @ 7:39 am

  107. Do the words transparency and accountability mean anything?

    Comment by di — July 11, 2008 @ 3:24 pm

  108. Yes they do, but it depends in which context they are taken. Would you care to elaborate on your idea of what those words mean, & why?

    Comment by Rose — July 11, 2008 @ 4:30 pm

  109. The Incorporated Associations Act tells you everything

    Comment by di — July 11, 2008 @ 5:55 pm

  110. Di, I don’t care what it says in the Incorporated Associations Act, I asked you what YOUR take on the words were.

    Comment by Rose — July 11, 2008 @ 7:55 pm

  111. I would prefer to use definitions on public record such as that quoted below:-

    “Transparency, as used in the humanities, implies openness, communication, and accountability…………
    Transparency is introduced as a means of holding public officials accountable and fighting corruption. When government meetings are open to the press and the public, when budgets and financial statements may be reviewed by anyone, when laws, rules and decisions are open to discussion, they are seen as transparent …………..
    Transparent procedures include open meetings, financial disclosure statements, the freedom of information legislation, budgetary review, audits, etc.”

    “Accountability is a concept in ethics with several meanings. It is often used synonymously with such concepts as answerability, enforcement, responsibility, blameworthiness, liability and other terms associated with the expectation of account-giving.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_(humanities)

    Comment by di — July 11, 2008 @ 10:59 pm

  112. So in essence you are saying that you prefer to use those definitions when it suits you, & your own when it doesn’t. My definition of transparency (note I said my definition) means being open & honest when asked a question, & not skirting around the issue. It also means not hiding behind pseudonyms when posting on a blog. As for my definitionof accountability, it means being grown up enough to take responsibilty for your own actions, & not blame someone else when things don’t go your way.

    Comment by Rose — July 12, 2008 @ 7:58 am

  113. Huh!

    “means not hiding behind pseudonyms when posting on a blog”

    Does this apply to ‘THE VOICE’ veiled behind a cloak of secrecy and even then declaring non accountability???

    “Note: This document has been reviewed by the CDPA chairperson, and although it has been agreed that the information contained in responses is factual, it must be made clear that the chairperson and committee do not endorse the content or any personal views expressed by the author of this notice.”

    Who’s writing the script? Is this for real or is someone writing a comedy sketch in the outback?…Mr Wizard Mr Wizard….. 😈

    Comment by Nigel — July 12, 2008 @ 12:21 pm

  114. Actually Rose, this space is for freedom of speech, which also means freedom to quote, freedom to use definitions when I wish….yes.

    At other times, I will speak from my heart.

    Comment by di — July 12, 2008 @ 4:15 pm

  115. Hi Rose, I note in post #106 you said “As for the funding for the newsletter, the funding was NOT withdrawn, the original grant money was used up.”
    How much did was the funding and how much did the newsletter cost?
    Cheers
    gina

    Comment by gina — July 16, 2008 @ 4:30 pm

  116. If that is true Rose, or whoever on CDPA is watching, and the funding is $2,500/financial year, and the newsletter has been ?funded since November 2006….the total of $5,000 was available to fund a newsletter up until June 30th 2008. I was informed in November 2006, by the chairperson at the time, that $1,700 was available but would have to last until September this year.
    As already presented to CDPA, the funding amounts received by me and their receipted usage has been fully accounted for. This was approximately $1,000 for that total time. This does not include the printer/scanner (approx. $80) which was purchased by CDPA.
    This is a question only. How could “the original grant money was used up.”?
    As has been confirmed by OACDT, there is no ‘funding round’ for funding of a newsletter, it is available as reimbursement on receipt of invoices for production costs.
    Another point is the reason for the progress associations being utilised as the auspice body for funding. This is because they are Incorporated and therefore have an ABN which is needed for reimbursement. Why was it necessary for the Copley History Group, which had come to my rescue, to require an ABN?
    I should say here, that I was paying for the newsletter out of my pension, from advertising and donations. This was needed for photocopying, paper and ink cartridges and to get it posted to the many government departments and private individuals who requested a copy of each issue. This was the state of affairs from April 2007 (when funding money was stopped/unavailable from CDPA) to June 2008. One account to Copley History Group was paid in December 2007. This was for photocopying costs up until October 2007. No further payment of accounts, nor reimbursements for my personal outlay has been forthcoming.
    I am sure that most people reading this would agree that this is not acceptable.

    Comment by di — July 17, 2008 @ 1:32 am

  117. Amazing isn’t it, this is a CDPA thread, but not a CDPA person
    to be read. They don’t hold meetings, they don’t answer letters, they don’t like the newsletter and they didn’t like freedom of speech on the blog…. Hmmm, reads like a script
    for “Grumpy ‘ol Group”, is there a musical in here……

    Comment by gina — July 18, 2008 @ 8:18 pm

  118. well, it looks a bit like ‘Hernando’s Hide away’ outside today, doesn’t it?

    Comment by di S Gusted — July 19, 2008 @ 4:59 pm

  119. ThE SiLenCe iS DeafenInG….

    Comment by KiCkinG BiRd — July 22, 2008 @ 12:10 am

  120. poopsie…poopsie????

    Comment by di — July 23, 2008 @ 8:29 pm

  121. where has the CDPA gone?
    Not talking to us anymore?
    methinks a nerve has been bulls-eyed.
    like a drop of water in the pond
    one little find has rippled out
    to pull the plug on communication

    Comment by di — July 23, 2008 @ 10:45 pm

  122. No little nerve has been bullseyed Di. Did you really think this thread was going to continue? As far as I’m concerned it WAS a CDPA thread – it is no longer.
    As for post #115, I am not going to answer that here. You know the procedure, write a letter to the committee.

    Comment by Rose — July 24, 2008 @ 7:02 am

  123. OHh NoW, whY aiN’t iT nO mOrE a cDpAsS tHrEaD?
    ThE tItLe SaYs iT’s So…
    FrOm WhAt I ReAd
    PrOcEdUrE tAkEs A TwIsT hErE, A lItTle TuRn tHeRe
    WhO wOuLd kNOw wHicH wAy iT gO?
    ReMeMbER MaKe SuRe YoU sMiLe wHilSt yOu WrIte
    ‘CaUsE tHe SMiLe WilL ToUcH yOur SoUL

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — July 24, 2008 @ 6:47 pm

  124. Rose, poor woman, do you still maintain that egocentricity of childhood? What on earth makes you think that the world revolves around your comments? I am sorely disappointed to think that you would hijack a child’s post to air your grievances. Did you think that Siobhan posted that thread to aim at you?
    As for freedom of speech………..there are laws against abuse, violence, discrimination and death threats. Now why do you suppose this is? Because in allowing your freedom of speech, you have denied another’s, a child’s, members of your association, neighbours, and their friends. I reconfirm, this was and is inappropriate. No, you are not free to verbally abuse one of our young people, especially.

    Comment by di — July 26, 2008 @ 8:41 pm

  125. There seems to be a lot of activity with the old and new CDPA committee members……vehicles back and forth across the rail line. Wonder what that is about? We are due for another AGM. Could they be organising the next committee election results? Or is something else in the wind?

    Comment by di — July 27, 2008 @ 7:19 pm

  126. Re comment # 124, I am not even going to waste my time quantifying your remarks Di. As for comment # 125, don’t you have anything better to do than watch who is coming & going over the rail line?
    This will be my last post on this blog, on any subject. I am tired of the way people continually twist things around to suit themselves. I have other things that I need to be doing, which don’t require me to watch what I say or write least someone should see it as a “death threat” or an attack on their personal beliefs.

    Comment by Rose — July 27, 2008 @ 7:37 pm

  127. RE: “I have other things that I need to be doing, which don’t require me to watch what I say or write least someone should see it as a “death threat” or an attack on their personal beliefs”

    Farewell Ron and Rose, you were a weird team! 😡

    Comment by Nigel — July 27, 2008 @ 9:42 pm

  128. “I have other things that I need to be doing, which don’t require me to watch what I say or write least someone should see it as a “death threat” or an attack on their personal beliefs.”

    Comment by Rose — July 27, 2008 @ 7:37 pm

    Rose, here I am writing to you on another thread and you’re over here. Do I have to follow you around trying to save your bacon forever. Naughty, naughty. Think before you say these things.
    How many times are you going to confirm that you are doing making these threats; and why do you feel this way about others?

    Comment by Margaret — July 27, 2008 @ 10:37 pm

  129. Actually, us pensioners have little else to do than jump under cold showers and watch cars going over the rail line, Rose.
    I brought her over here Margaret, because she got a little too personal on Siobhan’s thread about saving old grey mares.

    Comment by di — July 27, 2008 @ 11:33 pm

  130. AhHh aNd I tHoUgHt I wAs tO be tHe oNe to wRitE tHe ScriPt fOr
    CoPlEy BuRlEsQue.. tHe MuSiCal…
    Ok, I wIlL wOrK oN tHe muSic…

    Comment by KicKinG BiRd — July 28, 2008 @ 12:26 am

  131. Premarin: Synthetic vs. Natural Hormones
    “Finally the truth has come out: horse estrogens (Premarin) are not meant for humans! Many oral estrogen (cenestin, Estratab) and progesterone (provera, Prempro) pills prescribed by doctors are synthetic. These can disrupt steroid hormone pathways, leading to suppression of the body’s own natural hormones, and create a host of side effects including depression, anxiety, fatigue, fluid retention, migraines, or menstrual irregularities.”

    Apart from the obvious disadvantages of hormone replacement (have studied this) people who live in areas of the world who have a certain diet, ie lentils, beans and other pulses, vegetable and healthy fish diet are not subject to change of life symptoms. In fact generally it doesn’t exist.

    It does seem a shame that we screw up our bodies from lack of nutritional education and then turn on the poor old animals for a remedy. I wouldn’t want horse hormones in my body..

    There is pleny of information on the internet on alternatives to these quick synthetic fixes for HRT that are way better than popping pills and harming animals. Sometimes we don’t think of what science does to make money through their own lack of acceptance that money is not the overriding factor in maintainling health for humanity.

    The cancer risk alone in many of the HRT replacements took many responsible women off them after 6 months. There is no lack of information available on natural harmless remedies.

    Horses are beautiful animals and if at the mercy of humans needed to be treated with respect. They have other functions which bring merit. Joy for the children. Teaching them the responsibilities of proper care and maintenance, not to mention they provide a wonderful fertilizer for our gardens.
    But I guess this is in a perfect world!

    A friend of mine was on a high risk anti-cholesterol medication and when questioning the doctor about the use of omega 3 as a substitute (which is twice as effective) the doctor conceded that countries with a high intake of omega 3 natural products don’t experience cholesterol (France for an example). We all need to watch what we put in our mouth so that we don’t need antidotes to counteract an unhealthy diet.

    Another friend of mine (young) developed prostate cancer deluxe. After researching the causes, immediately stopped eating chicken!! There is plenty of evidence of artifical growth hormones in chicken. (It may have been when they told him that his only option was radioactive pellets inserted into the scrotum that he made the radical changes.)

    He changed his whole diet and lifestyle and today without medical intervention has no signs of a prostate problem.
    People generally don’t look at these alternatives until their own life is on the line and the doctors have exhausted all of their synthetic and pharmecutical experiments, we are broke and they say – “sorry no hope”!! Suddenly we start saying, well hang on…”there must be some ‘alternatives’. I know some ‘alternative people’… better check out what they do!

    Comment by Margaret — July 28, 2008 @ 9:30 am

  132. Thank You Margaret! Yahhhhh Common Sense!!!! Lets keep on questioning, EVERYTHING….. Let celebrate a move toward being holistic. [go Siobhan!!]. Here’s to clean air, soil water, organic food, health and
    most important – Laughter!

    We have been traveling the road of the CDPAss. who wear the face of
    what seems to be a “Secret Squirrel” Ass. We should only ask questions via
    a formal letter, we must not complain even if the letters are not answered,
    if another view is pointed out, it is because we are ‘twisting’ the truth,
    the members should be seen – not heard…
    boy this goes on and on…
    Where are the other members of the CDPAss?
    When did ‘Communication’ become banned?
    If this is procedure, for goodness sake, LETS CHANGE IT!!!
    When, why and how.
    Can’t wait for the musical….
    gina

    [We need to remember to counteract being grouchy with laughter!!!]

    Comment by gina — July 28, 2008 @ 10:18 am

  133. Re: comment 132
    Hello Gina, sorry I haven’t responded to you before. I enjoy your light-hearted comments and the nice way you see things. Especially your love of the beautiful area that you all share and your obvious fondness of the animals you must be caring for. I commend you for your love of defenseless creatures.

    I’ve been wondering if I could mention here that despite there appears to be problems communicating with Progress on various subjects that at least Rose has been communicating with everyone via this forum and on other threads.

    It seems to show that at least one member of progress is prepared to attempt discussions on the community forum. Rose is the secretary I take it and not the Chairperson, so I do tend to see that she enjoys your company here. I suspect that Rose personally would not have been responsible for pulling out the plug on the community news and in all probability would have thought that appropriate notice should have been given on the site in advance. Even if not at the time, in retrospect I’m sure it has been regretted at an inner level.

    Personally having been in the role of secretary on many committees, I don’t remember having the power to do anything except carry out instructions and be alert to legislations. Many times I’ve cast a vote against a motion and been outvoted. One still has to uphold the decision and understand that the majority overrides the minority. However once a committee breaks it’s rules, I usually personally bail out very quickly so as not to let actions penalise my respect for our membership.

    I think there is a lot of merit in some of the efforts to communicate here and wonder if in light of the fact that at least one member has been contributing, that she could be cut a little slack as usually correspondence is addressed to the secretary, you obviously have her full attention here and I’m sure with a little less defensiveness on both sides more listening may happen and I have to say this Rose, you must focus on the questions and not take the opportunity the highlight the flaws as this seems to be provoking discord.

    We can’t put ourselves in the position of judges of one another as one day when everyone is on equal footing it will be difficult to face those we have exercised power over. As this is the Copley District Progress Association thread it seems important that Progress members are contributing to it. I would like to ask Rose what she thinks about this.(?)

    Comment by Margaret — July 28, 2008 @ 11:48 pm

  134. 39.
    “…………….As you said Rose, many on the CDPA committee read this blog…I think it is about time they came out of hiding and answered some of these questions instead of expecting you to take the pressure/fall all the time. you are the only one who has the courage…dare I say ‘balls’ to be here. We appreciate that. You can hold your head up, knowing you have done your best. You are communicating, you are debating. Good onya!! :))
    Comment by di — June 12, 2008 @ 10:29 pm ”

    As you can see by the previous post, I have acknowledged Rose’s contribution to this thread.
    On the other hand, I will always defend the rights of our young people who are attempting to change our ideas about how we misuse and abuse the animals in our care. I extend no apologies for that.
    Rose and I still chat over the fence about the weather, the amazing skies here and other everyday matters.
    I know Rose has a good heart, but probably needs to step into another person’s shoes before making sweeping statements and judgements about that person. Taking the time to get to know people in the community in which you live is really important. Having an expectation, from some misguided thought form of ‘being better’ than they are, is what causes disunity.

    Comment by di — July 29, 2008 @ 2:28 pm

  135. Unfortunately, in this small town and many others like it, being elected to a committee position on the Progress Assoc. seems to bring out the ego, in its worst form. I have mentioned in the newsletter that those on the committee are actually the servants of the community. This may be why some CDPA committee members are a little more than cross with me. One CDPA member/committee member has a belief that the CDPA is our ‘governing, ruling body’, when in actuality they are the managers of infrastructure within the town and district. They are volunteer positions, therefore, hold no real power over any other member in the association. They, like the rest of the members, are obligated, under the legislations, to comply within that framework. If breaches occur, and are not discussed and reported to the proper authorities, then they are complicit.
    Considering the timeframe that this new committee has been in their positions,(8 months), many would have expected that, by now, they would have their ‘act’ together and be able to answer simple questions regarding our constitution, infrastructure, financial management of resources, and be able to communicate with the members on the issues under their management portfolios. I am aware of the state of the paperwork from the previous committee. All it takes is a visit to the office. The executive support person, still doesn’t have a computer at her disposal. She has been working well beyond her paid role attempting to make sense of the boxes of letters and invoices and minutes she was handed. Now I know this is not the ‘fault’ of this committee, but offers of assistance were written in a letter, as per procedure. Several more volunteers could have made a huge difference.

    Comment by di — July 29, 2008 @ 2:46 pm

  136. Well stated Di, open community transparency, and everyone can get back to their own business…we need answers…why did the Progress attempt to silence a community is the big one. Basic answers which should not need answering when everyone is aware of whats going on.

    “Flinders Power has notified us of increased water rates, which we are currently negotiating.” Who at Flinders Power?, where is the communication?, what does it say?..basic and easy stuff.

    Comment by Nigel — July 29, 2008 @ 3:14 pm

  137. This comment is from di, accidently posted in another thread, copied over here – amt

    Interesting little bit of information, one of the attendees at the 2003 AGM, was an employee of a business and I have been told, lived in Leigh Creek, not Copley. This person was nominated for and accepted unanimously as the secretary. This was prior to the changes in the constitution allowing non-residents acceptance as members. Is this correct? I would appreciate it if anyone can confirm or deny this piece of information. I would not like to be seen as a liar, because I have been told an untruth…as has been implied in the past.
    Another thing I noticed in the paperwork sent by OCBA was that a certain Walter Sires had the longest tenure I have ever seen…from 1500-1996.
    On this same form, ‘changes to the constitution’ have not been noted in September 2003, just a ‘Name change’ for the association. Now what does all of this mean? It does say at the bottom of the document that if any typos are noted, they are to be informed. No wonder a search by OCBA didn’t show a constitutional change. It took several months to find the documentation of the changes, of which there were 14. So much for a BIT of a change quoted by Rose in a previous post.

    Comment by newseditor — July 30, 2008 @ 1:16 pm

  138. Wow, sure it wasn’t MR WALKER??? Is it possible THE “PHANTOM” was a
    member…..Who was that masked man???

    Comment by gina — July 30, 2008 @ 9:55 pm

  139. Full A4 page huge script message sent out with water bills letting those who get water bills, that the AGM will not be held in August but in September. As yet the date is not known. One wonders why the back of the water bill was not utilised for the notice. How will the rest of the members be notified? Especially those who reside in Leigh Creek, who don’t get water bills from Copley, as do most of the station owners in the surrounding district. How will the community be notified of the date when it is set? Another post-out?

    Or will the exclusive-to-only-those-deemed-worthy community notice board be used at the Packsaddle General store? It seems that certain people in the community need to replace their public notices every few days. Why the waste of people’s time, effort and paper. It seems to me and many others that a true community notice board be made and put up somewhere away from the ravages of envious and destructive people who don’t like competition in business, nor open communication for the community. Now, who do we know who fits that bill?

    Comment by di — August 2, 2008 @ 10:19 pm

  140. ohhhhh, I feel a Deja vu coming on…. quick, grab the smelling salts!!!

    Comment by gina — August 2, 2008 @ 10:54 pm

  141. I kNow,
    ThEy wIlL pUt tHe InFo In tHe NewSLeTter…..

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — August 3, 2008 @ 11:46 am

  142. that would be one for the books…..ooppssss….did I say books??? where are the books? Are there any books?
    How about letters instead? abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz hhhmmmmm…no answer there either.
    Sorry folks, it seems that the CDPA has left the building!!!!! Maybe they are busy elsewhere, trying to cover that horse’s ass on the news.copley.org site?

    Comment by LiB Rarian — August 3, 2008 @ 10:01 pm

  143. 110. “Di, I don’t care what it says in the Incorporated Associations Act,….”
    Comment by Rose — July 11, 2008 (secretary CDPA)

    http://www.familiesandcommunities.sa.gov.au

    What are legislative requirements?

    Legislation instructs an organisation on what they can and cannot do. Legislation may include prescribed laws, regulations and by-laws applicable to an organisation which must be complied with.

    The term legislation can refer to a single law (also known as a statute or an Act) or a collection of laws.

    All people and organisations are required by law to comply with legislation to which they are subject.

    What do I need to do?

    Your organisation should have policies and procedures to achieve service outcomes in line with legislative requirements.

    You will need to:

    * Identify and document your legislative obligations.
    * Develop policies and procedures in accordance with your organisation’s objectives and legislative requirements.
    * Review documentation and update policies and procedures to ensure they reflect and support agreed work practices.
    * Ensure staff and volunteers have access to relevant legislation and receive induction and training.
    * Ensure records are available to demonstrate consistent application of procedures.

    ……hhhhmmmmmm…… says it all

    Comment by LiB Rarian — August 5, 2008 @ 4:58 pm

  144. Gee! It sounds like Progress Associations are obliged to ‘care’..thats good news!

    Comment by Liti-gattor — August 5, 2008 @ 6:19 pm

  145. http://www.familiesandcommunities.sa.gov.au

    Community Strengthening

    What is community strengthening?

    “Community strengthening is a sustained effort to increase involvement and partnership among members of a community to achieve common objectives. It involves local people, community organisations, government, business and philanthropic organisations working together to achieve agreed social, economic and environmental outcomes” (Department of Planning and Community Development 2007).

    It works by listening to what local people believe could improve their community and sharing ideas about how these changes can happen.

    Strong communities are inclusive. They embrace cultural diversity, have strong social networks between people, and have good facilities and infrastructure. Communities that encourage their citizens to participate in all areas of life- work, sport, recreation and culture; have a better quality of life and are healthier. Everyone benefits when communities are safe, resilient, vibrant and confident.

    Why is it important?

    Community strengthening helps to mobilise community skills, energy and resources and apply them in a way that achieves social change. It aims to create stronger social institutions, improved well-being and increased social and economic opportunities.

    A strong community is one that features:

    * A greater capacity to address social, economic and environmental issues.
    * Improved social cohesion and participation in community activities.
    * New opportunities for social, economic and environmental development.
    * New partnerships between community members, organisations and all tiers of government that lead to improved local delivery of government services.

    What do I need to do?

    * Understand the strengths and needs of your community through community consultations, surveys and community profiles.
    * Harness the ability and willingness of community members to pitch in together, support bottom up initiatives and create local solutions. This can be done by:
    o Building social networks
    o Promoting local leadership
    o Encouraging local ownership and control
    o Facilitating innovation, creativity and sustainability.

    Comment by LiB Rarian — August 5, 2008 @ 6:52 pm

  146. The committee members of the CDPA are very quiet here in town at present. Is anyone surprised? It seems some are busy with earthworks. Wonder what that is about?
    It is also strange that water metres have been replaced…the big ones. How do we know how much the town has used now? Where did the old metres go? How come the old,old water supply metre, which had not been used in years, had only 400 on the dial?
    ooppsssss…here I go again..more questions!!!!

    Comment by di — August 7, 2008 @ 10:31 pm

  147. A meeting, a meeting My kingdom for a meeting……

    Comment by R. Ichard III — August 12, 2008 @ 9:34 pm

  148. “as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don’t know we don’t know.”

    Wow, this sounded familiar………

    Comment by theBushTalker — August 12, 2008 @ 10:17 pm

  149. Hellooooooooooo, is anybody out there??????

    Comment by E.N' Quirey — August 14, 2008 @ 9:51 pm

  150. It seems there will be an AGM for the CDPA in September. Not sure of the date at this point but will probably be on 17th.
    Shame the newsletter isn’t notified to advertise this event. Word that the Copley Phoenix will not be supported by this present CDPA has been received without any explanation as to why.
    The $2,500 funding available from OACDT is going begging and the only community supported newsletter (Copley Phoenix) is doing fund-raising markets to keep the community informed. Does anyone else see the enigma here? It seems that just a few people can hold the whole community to ransom on this one. But, then again, those same few people make sure they get a copy. Now, what is that about?
    How about some adult communication about this!!!!

    Comment by di — August 16, 2008 @ 5:13 pm

  151. Well, God may Save the Queen but I dont think he/she will be doing any favours for any group that doesnt support community or the free press. I am sure the Phoenix will stay afloat and have a bountiful and free future..God Loves Freedom of Speech and is apparently joining the ‘Building Healthy Community Board’ as well…Jesus!..never thought God would get involved in local politics!!

    Comment by Cough-Wit-Lamb — August 16, 2008 @ 8:22 pm

  152. very good discussions with Pat last night about Capacity Building, organised by Building Healthy Communities. Three dedicated community members attended.
    Strangely, CDPA were informed of this meeting, but no notices were evident in Copley, but notices were seen in Leigh Creek, thank goodness.
    A meeting was held during the day at the old schoolhouse with the indigenous group. Wonder where they found out about it? I guess Ron organised that one.
    No CDPA committee members attended the evening meeting. Guess they don’t feel the need to capacity build within the community…..

    Comment by di — August 19, 2008 @ 10:56 am

  153. Yah butt fare go oind stuff…moybe is day bizzy wit udder carpacity…loik da capadity off da warder sisdem oind oil dat ha!!

    Comment by Day-Dripper — August 19, 2008 @ 12:56 pm

  154. MaN, I dON’t gEt It………

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — August 24, 2008 @ 6:36 pm

  155. hhmmmm..you may be right day-dripper.

    Comment by di — August 24, 2008 @ 11:50 pm

  156. the date has been set for the AGM, as discovered advertised in the Leigh Creek ‘Topics’. Not sure why Copley business has to do with Leigh Creek people. Flyers were apparently put up in 2 other Leigh Creek locations and three businesses in Copley which are rarely visited by Copley people, due to the attitude of the business owners.
    Previous notice giving a vague September time frame for this meeting, was sent out on the back of water accounts, which, of course would only be seen by those who get water accounts….that cuts out over 60% of Copley residences.

    Comment by di — August 24, 2008 @ 11:59 pm

  157. OhhhhH aN aGm cOmInG, aNd nO iNfO fRoM THe CdpASS iNc. tO bE rEaD oN
    tHiS tHrEaD?
    CoMmUnIcAtIoN dOn’T sEeM tO bE a wOrD tHeY kNoW.
    WhAt cAn YoU pEoPlE dO aBoUt iT?
    wHaT eVeR yOu Do,
    dO iT iN pEaCe & oF pUrE hEaRt…

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — September 2, 2008 @ 2:24 pm

  158. OhHHh MoN,
    I fEeL sOmE JiGgeRy-PoKeRy coMInG oNnNnn….

    Comment by KicKiNg BiRd — September 7, 2008 @ 8:40 pm

  159. jiggery-pokery????

    Comment by glory yu — September 8, 2008 @ 11:33 pm

  160. OhHhh JiGgErY-PoKeRy be
    a sLiP oF tHe tOngUe
    A lItTLe oMiSsIoN hErE
    a LiTtLe aDdEd tHeRe
    cOvErEd wIth FeIgNeD InDiGnAtIoN
    GaThErEd Up ThOuGhtS
    UnItED iN mIsChIeF
    cLoAk & DaGger
    vEiLeD InTeNtIoN
    pRoToCoL iGnOrEd
    tRaCks bUrIeD oVeR
    VeRaCiTy bEcOmE A sTrAnGeR
    BuT,
    It dOn’T mEaN dIdDley-SqUaT
    iN tHe BiG pIcTuRe
    aT tHe eNd oF tHe dAy
    tHe pRiCe to bE pAiD
    yOu bE wHaT yOu Do
    nOt wHaT yOu sAy
    wHen yOu rIdE oN tHe
    bAcK oF JiGgErY-PoKeRy….

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — September 12, 2008 @ 11:22 pm

  161. interesting sights in copley before meeting date of old committee members public officer & partners of committee people going through paperwork before sending it to exec support person in the office. then after agm boxes of papers seen moved from office to somewhere else where did they go & how are assoc members going to see them now? why? big why?

    Comment by gloria TNG — September 19, 2008 @ 11:12 pm

  162. Why? The big “why” is why you people are so anal about what the CDPA is doing. You all seem to have way too much time on your hands – are any of you gainfully employed or are you all dole bludgers? My instincts tell me it’s the latter. Get a life – get a job!

    Comment by Shire Maiden — September 20, 2008 @ 7:29 pm

  163. There are more ways to make a living than smiling at tourists.

    Comment by MYOB — September 20, 2008 @ 10:40 pm

  164. Ohhh ShIrE MAiDeN,
    WhErE YoU aT
    JudGeMeNt,
    HaRsH wOrDs,
    iNsTiNcTs witH No FaCt….
    cDpASS sTaGneNt
    WhaTs tHis – GeT a LiFe/JoB?
    Ohhh
    SHAME
    SHAME
    SHAME
    LooK bLinD pErSon
    wHaT tO sEE
    VOLUNTEERS
    ArT
    CrAfT
    GrEeNiNg….
    FuNd RaIsInG,
    GrOwInG a CoMMuNiTy…
    OhHhhh aNd wHaT wIt
    oN tHE oThEr HaNd –
    CdpASS,
    hEaDeD bY aN OfFiCeR wHo sAy
    “I dOnT gIvE a *h#T”…..

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — September 21, 2008 @ 10:35 am

  165. oHHHHHh
    maIdEn, i FoRgOt To AsK
    WhAt PoSiTiOn
    ThAT YOu sIt???

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — September 21, 2008 @ 10:37 am

  166. isn’t it good that we have some of our town’s young people on the committee…..hhhmmmmm?

    Comment by gloria TNG — September 21, 2008 @ 5:28 pm

  167. I don’t know how anyone else feels about the oppressive behavior at the
    Agm, but I am going to write the CDPA a letter and tell them I NO LONGER ACCEPT IT!
    gina

    Comment by gina — September 22, 2008 @ 6:31 pm

  168. good idea Gina, though it will be interesting to see if you get a reply….may be the same one as the chairperson used at the AGM in reply to me handing him a letter for consideration at the next meeting. Yes it was oppressive behaviour and appalling meeting protocol.
    It was an interesting response for someone who supposedly didn’t know what the letter contained. He didn’t even look at it before giving his opinion on it. Was definitely an unguarded moment.
    Goodness knows what the AGM would have been like without Mark Sutton there. Certainly Natural Justice took a battering when members not in the cliche, attempted to speak.
    Maybe OACDT can send someone to do some meeting workshops with the new/old committee.
    Hope they can get their act together before tackling the constitution discussion promised.

    Comment by di — September 22, 2008 @ 9:52 pm

  169. Accept it. Get over it. Get on with it. Get a hobby. Get a life. People in the red team: stop acting like idiots. People in the blue team: you also. Grow up. Stop whispering. Stop gossipping. Forget what happened in 1953. Love your neighbour. Pipe down, knock it off, stand up straight and stop acting like a bunch of pathetic whining losers. Oh wait, am I in the right blog? This is the East Mississipi Dental Hygienists Association isn’t it? No. Oh shit. Ok, well ignore all the above, it obviously doesn’t apply here.

    Comment by The Fat Controller — September 25, 2008 @ 9:35 pm

  170. TwIsT
    TuRn
    MaNiPuLaTe
    ShRiVeL
    cLosE yOuR mInD
    ClOsE yOuR eYeS
    SeE, It dOnT mAtTeR
    EnGaGe yOuR vOiCe
    wItH NO tHoUgHt
    WaLk oN bY
    dOnT lOoK oN wHo yOu tReAd
    bE EnRaGeD
    Be iNdIgNaNt….
    If,
    tHiS bE tHe WaY eTcHeD iN yOuR hEaRt
    TheN yOu bE aLwAyS aBlE tO jUsTiFy A sEnSeLeSs,
    SeLf-CeNtErEd FiGhT
    BuT,
    If iT aIn’T sO,
    tHeN rISe aBovE
    lIkE yOuR PhOeNiX
    hEaD tOwArD tHe LIGHT,
    FolLoW tHe TrAiL
    wAlK tHe WaLk
    Go iN PeAce,
    gO wItH lOvE
    ReAcH fOr wHaT Is RIGHT….

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — September 26, 2008 @ 8:30 am

  171. R.I.P

    Comment by U.Ndertaker — October 9, 2008 @ 3:46 pm

  172. What happened? Did someone die?

    Comment by Lulu — October 10, 2008 @ 12:48 pm

  173. OH mOn I heAr SmAll tOwn bLuEs
    sInGiNg oUt pAsT tHe cUttAwAy
    aN eNcOrE,
    eNcOrE fOr
    pEaSaNt bUrLeSqUe….
    tHe mUsIcAl uNfOldS
    a LiTtlE oL’ lAdY
    fLoAtInG iN wAtEr
    tHe rOyAl cOuRt
    drInKin’ FrOm tHe
    CuP oF pOwEr
    tHrOnE tEeTeRs
    aS tHe pEaSaNtS
    aTtEmPt uPrIsInG
    bEaTeN bAcK
    bY tHe rE-wRiTten
    cOnsTitUtIon
    tHe sTeNcH oF
    StAgNaTiOn
    oVeR-PoWeRs
    tHe nEeD fOr
    FoRwArD mOvEmEnT
    nO CrUmBs oF CaKe
    oFfErEd,
    wHiLsT tHe aNoInTeD
    dInE oN a fEaSt
    oF nOnSenSe
    LeGeNdS iN tHeIr
    oWn mInDs
    cReAtInG MyTh
    dIvIdE aNd CoNqUeR
    wItH tAiLs oF
    MiScHiEf
    a FaCaRdE
    oF InVeNtIoN….
    NoT sUrE iF
    YoU sHoUlD nO lOnGeR
    bE
    BeGgIn’ a PaRdOn
    oR
    mAkE aPoLoGy
    fOr tOpPlIn’ a cRoWn…..

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — January 13, 2009 @ 2:14 pm

  174. I’m sorry to say you lose all credibility by writing in such a stupid manner.

    Comment by Rose — January 13, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

  175. Oh mAdAm
    pLeAse bE BeGgIn’
    mE pArDoN…..

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — January 13, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

  176. ” Does the word privacy mean anything? The water usage of individual property owners is their business & theirs only – not the self appointed water police.”
    Comment by Rose — July 11, 2008 @ 7:39 am

    a LiTtlE oL’ lAdY
    fLoAtInG iN wAtEr……..

    uSaGe ChArT sUrE dO bOb uP ‘N dOwN
    LiTtLe oL’ lAdY nEed fLoAtIeS
    oR lITtLe oL’ lAdY dRowN….

    TeLl Me TrUe – nO dIsCusSioN gOiN’ oN????????
    sUrE yOu dOn’T wAnT
    tO rE-pHrAsE jUlY 11 2008 cOmMeNt?????
    HeY nOt wHaT I rEaD iN tHe coPaLoT nEwS……

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — January 14, 2009 @ 11:23 am

  177. Quote “uSaGe ChArT sUrE dO bOb uP ‘N dOwN” Quote

    Well if you’re so clever, why don’t you figure out why her water usage bobs up & down? The rest of us have!

    Comment by Rose — January 14, 2009 @ 12:01 pm

  178. ” Does the word privacy mean anything? The water usage of individual property owners is their business & theirs only – not the self appointed water police.”
    Comment by Rose — July 11, 2008 @ 7:39 am

    Well if you’re so clever, why don’t you figure out why her water usage bobs up & down? The rest of us have!

    Comment by Rose — January 14, 2009 @ 12:01 pm

    oHH RoSe
    A sAd StAtE Of AfFAiRs
    yOu bEcOmE
    ”tHe rEsToF uS”
    jUdGe
    TrIaL
    JuRy
    lAmEnT tHe cOmPlAiNtS
    nEvEr rEaLlY lIsTeN
    dO yOu bE a gRoUp
    wItH a MiSsIon?
    sHoW nO cArE
    oR CoMpAsSiOn
    wHaT sOrt bE ‘uS’
    tHaT wOuLd tReAt
    fOlK wItH sUcH
    cOnTeMpT
    tAkE CoLd sTaNd
    dEeM tHe aNsWeRs
    wItH nO tHoUgHt
    tO tHe qUeStIoNs
    tO sHoW nOt
    cOnCeRn
    tO a
    FoUr FiGuRe bUrDeN
    BuT,
    gAtHeR
    cOmPlAiN
    dIsCuSs dIsCoNeCtIoN
    oH sHaMe
    fOr sUrE
    a MaGiC meTeR
    iT gO fOrWaRd
    aNd BaCkWaRd
    aN eXcUsE
    a tArDy BiLl
    YeT,
    sTiLl nO-oNe aCtEd!?
    bOdY wItH cOnscience
    sUreLy wOulD qUeStIon
    ‘wHaT ‘tIs wE dO tHaT
    tHe fOlK wAnT rEbeLliOn”?
    wHy you/us jUmP
    tO dEfEnCe
    buT nEvEr AnSwEr
    tHe rEaL qUeStIoNs
    sEt YoUrSeLvEs uP
    lIkE aN iNqUisItIoN
    wHeRe bE
    gUmPtIoN?????

    sUrE yOu and tHe ResT sTiLl dOn’T
    wAnT tO rEphRaSe yOur
    jUlY 11 JaN 14 pOsTs?

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — January 14, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

  179. Quote [sUrE yOu and tHe ResT sTiLl dOn’T
    wAnT tO rEphRaSe yOur
    jUlY 11 JaN 14 pOsTs?] Quote

    When you post under your true name instead of some stupid pseudonym & write normally instead of jumping all over the place like a mad thing then yes I will!

    Comment by Rose — January 15, 2009 @ 9:08 am

  180. OhH rOsE
    mY NaMe iS mY NaMe
    fOr I bE nO oThEr
    WhAt sAy yOu
    dO yOu bE a BiRd
    oF aNoThEr fEaThEr
    I wRiTe wHo I bE….
    i cOmE bEaRiNg a
    gIft
    a BoX oF
    fReE fLoAtIeS….

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — January 15, 2009 @ 9:28 am

  181. As this discussion is about my mothers extremely large water account, I
    am sincerely hoping that you, Rose, as representative of our Progress
    Association (and what appears to include other members of the committee) are not taking the stand of ignoring the extensive information that I have collated and given to the Association regarding this matter?

    I am appalled to read on this thread the assumption has been made, so casually, as to the “why” the account is so extreme. I can only assume
    also that at some stage my correspondence will be acknowledged as
    being received and replied to and a meeting set up to discuss the many discrepancies?
    The long standing issues regarding the conduct displayed by Progress
    Association in resolving disputes is in need of up dating utilising professionalism and a clear code of conduct.
    Kicking Bird has asked some very moot points, with a manner though
    a little obscure, non the less acute. I thank you, Kicking Bird for this and your humour!
    The lack of communication has been occurring for a very long time.
    gina richardson

    Comment by gina — January 15, 2009 @ 11:36 am

  182. a mOm gOt tO sLeEp
    sO oN tHe ‘mOrRo
    cAn gO fIsHiN’
    a PlEa fOr vOiCe
    nEvEr gO mIsSin’
    tHe wInD cArrIeS tAlEs
    i LiStEn….

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — January 15, 2009 @ 12:21 pm

  183. oH sHaMe fOr sUre
    lItTle ‘oL lAdY
    aIn’T fLoAtInG iN wAtEr
    bUt oN a tIdE oF
    fOrEgOnE cOnClUsIoN
    wHaT bE fAcT
    WhAt bE iLlUsIoN?
    MaGiC mEtEr
    dIsApPeArInG fIgUrEs
    iNdIsCeRnIbLe ePiStLe
    wHaT bE NeXt iN sIgHt
    lItTlE ‘oL lAdY
    cHaInEd tO mEtEr…
    iN cOmE tHe
    pOwEr tHaT bE
    cHeStS pUfFeD Up
    aLl ReAdY
    wAtEr MeTeR…..oUt
    OhH wHaT bE yOuR MoTtO
    LuMpEnPrOlEtArIAt…?

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — January 19, 2009 @ 12:32 am

  184. The FACT is that the water has gone through the little old lady’s meter, therefore the little old lady is responsible for paying for it. The ILLUSION seems to be that for a number of reasons (none which are valid) the little old lady (as well as a few others)thinks she shouldn’t pay for it. As for the little old lady chaining herself to the meter to prevent it being removed, if that’s what the little old lady wants to do then the little old lady’s welcome.

    Comment by Rose — January 19, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

  185. This is interesting logic. If the meter showed that it wasn’t used, does she have to pay for it?

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 19, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

  186. mRs cHrIsTiNe tO yOu
    I sInCeReLy aPoLpoGiSe
    ‘tWaS nOt iNtEnTiOn
    tO mAkE rEpReSeNtAtIoN
    bUt
    mErElY sAtIrE,
    hUmOuR bEeN MiSsEd.
    aTteMpT tO bYpAsS pAyMeNt
    NEVER
    uSeD aS oPtIoN fOr cOnSiDeRaTiOn!
    mRs cHrIsTiNe
    I tRuElY hOpE tHe
    pOwErS tHaT bE
    sHoW yOu ReSpEcT
    aNd FACTs bE uSeD
    aS a MaRkEr.
    sInCeReLy
    KiCkInG BiRd

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — January 20, 2009 @ 7:59 am

  187. Dear Con Cerned,

    Concerning your concerns concerning the matter of the water meter, I am extremely concerned that you do not seem to understand how a water (or any other) meter works. 😉

    Comment by Rose — January 24, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

  188. OhH CoN CeRnErNeD
    i To Be CoNcErNeD
    cOnCeRnInG
    tHiS CoNcErN …
    mE tHiNkS tHiS
    cOnCeRn bE
    a MaGiC mETeR…
    bAcKwArD
    fOrWaRd
    aBlE tO rEvErT
    bAcK tO aNoThErS
    rEaDiNg…
    oHhh
    MaGiC mEtEr iNdEeD?
    wHaT nExT
    aLcHeMy?

    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — January 25, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

  189. Well, dear rose, anyone can look up google and get that information. What are you saying? Is there a problem with the meters or the readings?

    “How to read your water meter
    •Lift the lid and clean the plastic window to expose the black and red numbers
    •Read the numbers from left to right
    •The black numbers are what you need to record. They represent kilolitres (kl)

    The black numbers from the left show the reading in kilolitres (504kls). The red numbers show the litres (197 litres). The red numbers are ignored for billing purposes.
    Write down the meter reading and check again seven days later around the same time of day. The difference between the two readings is your weekly water consumption. Divide this by 7 for an estimate of your daily use.”
    http://www.sydneywater.com.au/CustomerServices/ReadingMeter/pdf/ReadingYourMeter.pdf

    If you need a picture to make it easier,so you can see it for yourself, or for those who may be ‘lessdicksick’, newseditor may be able to put it on here with the instructions.
    The real concern is that there seems to be little concern for townsfolk who may be having trouble paying their water bills, don’t you think?

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 25, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

  190. I am not talking about how to read them, I am talking about how they work. I have explained this before, but for those who obviously don’t get it, I will explain it again. In order for a water meter to work, water has to pass through it. If water does NOT pass through it, it does NOT register. Therefore, if the figures show for example 198 kilolitres, then this is the amount of water that the householder HAS used, regardless of HOW it has been used. If he/she hasn’t physically used in the house (washing, showering, cleaning, toilet etc.) or in the garden watering plants then he/she has a LEAK somewhere on the property. It is the responsibility of said householder to FIND where the problem is & FIX it, not whine & complain & expect the CDPA to do it for them.
    As for sympathy – I have absolutely none at all for people who don’t pay their bills for over two years then complain because the bill is so large. D-day (disconnection day) is fast approaching! 🙂

    Comment by Rose — January 27, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

  191. Rose
    are you saying the water will definitely be disconnected on Saturday 31st
    January and under what authority are you stating this? 🙂
    gina richardson

    Comment by gina — January 27, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

  192. #185

    “This is interesting logic. If the meter showed that it wasn’t used, does she have to pay for it?

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 19, 2009 @ 11:15 pm”

    repeat question…how many times does a person have to ask a question before it is answered?

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 28, 2009 @ 12:39 am

  193. Let’s take this a step further shall we? Question: Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers. If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers, how many pickled peppers did Peter Piper pick? Answer: None, because the peppers have to be pickled after they’re picked. Now on the other hand, if you said Peter Piper picked a peck of pickling peppers, then the answer would be different.

    Comment by Rose — January 28, 2009 @ 5:05 am

  194. Gina, you read the letter – what part of it don’t you understand?

    Comment by Rose — January 28, 2009 @ 9:04 am

  195. Rose
    are you saying the water will definitely be disconnected on Saturday 31st
    January and under what authority are you stating this? 🙂
    gina

    Comment by gina — January 28, 2009 @ 9:27 am

  196. What letter? The one you haven’t answered yet or the standard letter you sent saying half payment has been received and the CDPA will still be disconnecting if full balance is not paid by the 31st January?
    🙂
    gina

    Comment by gina — January 28, 2009 @ 12:05 pm

  197. You have been sent two letters. The first one was a reply to the one you sent regarding Lot 31 water accounts, & the second one was the one you have just referred to. As I said, what part of the second one don’t you understand?

    Comment by Rose — January 28, 2009 @ 12:57 pm

  198. Rose,
    I have received one letter dated 14th January only – which actually didn’t give a reply at all , it stated my information would be passed onto the committee ‘for their consideration”. So, when is the next meeting, when will we meet to discuss the many discrepancies with the account and errors the CDPA have made in the billing?
    What is this ‘other’ letter you refer to?
    I did give the chairperson a letter from the doctor, are you aware of this letter?
    Could you please answer me – in what capacity you are answering on this blog – simply put do you represent the CDPA?

    Thank goodness for this blog – it seems the only way communication has occurred with the CDPA – though it seems only certain questions are answered, other questions have been quite obviously ignored.
    I thank you for your time Rose.
    gina

    Comment by gina — January 28, 2009 @ 2:08 pm

  199. #185

    “This is interesting logic. If the meter showed that it wasn’t used, does she have to pay for it?

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 19, 2009 @ 11:15 pm”

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 28, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

  200. Does Peter have a problem with his water account too?

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 29, 2009 @ 12:12 am

  201. Did the letter go to Peter instead of Gina?

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 29, 2009 @ 12:13 am

  202. Well, have you Peter?

    Comment by gina — January 29, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

  203. If anyone is interested, the Sunday Mail have asked me to canvas the region to find out how people are coping with this heat wave up here in the outback.

    They may be very interested in the neigbourly love shown to the elderly during this particularly difficult time of extraordinary heat.

    This could then follow on to the suggestion that those who are bullying the elderly may possibly also be responsible for a massive water loss/gain of their own a short time back.

    I sincerely hope this lady’s water isn’t cut off on Saturday or any other day. If she has paid some of the account Rose, you will need to issue her with a new account and a new deadline. In light of the weather forecast being known in advance, I personally wouldn’t like to be looking down the barrell of a possible manslaughter charge. You might also discover there has been some mistake in the waterworks or the paperwork !

    The deadline for the Sunday Mail is Saturday coming, so if anyone has an unusual story and some photos of how our neighbours in the Flinders are helping each other cope with the heatwave, it could be quite inspiring. Contact me for the email address if you like.

    God bless.

    Comment by Margaret — January 29, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

  204. Margret, Thank you so much for caring! I will contact you as Mum’s bills are a
    mess. I have asked, several time to meet with our committee and discuss the discrepancies, but have been refused as they feel the problem is not with-in their billing system. I hope that our committee would not be so
    bloody minded to carry out this senseless threat. As far as Mum goes, their bullyboy tactics have stressed her to the limit, if they do go ahead and disconnect her water supply we will have to ask for help from our community members [as we live passive solar/ no air conditioning] we manage well but, Mum is 78 and not well. What amazes me is, all of this could be avoided if
    our committee would communicate and deal with the issues with professionalism, integrity and compassion.
    Many thanks to you Margret, cheers gina

    Comment by gina — January 29, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

  205. It’s a pleasure Gina. If you have any problems, give the Minister for Health, John Hill a ring. He has just issued a very strong statement regarding this current heat wave and how we must be very mindful of our neighbours, the elderly and small children.

    I might also suggest that any of the local mining companies who are NOT paying for water, might have a heart and help this lady pay her obviously overrated water bill. We don’t hear much about the “GOOD CORPORATE CITIZENS” once they get their leg in the door these days.

    How about it Heathgate, Perilya, Mountain of Light and whoever else is hiding out up there? Pass the hat around the social club and do something nice for the community.

    BTW Gina, perhaps get the “water police” to check around the place. A common trick when people are away is not only intrusion into homes for a sticky beak into their computers perhaps, but also an opportunity to possibly breach the water pipes of the unsuspecting. You never know, mum could be financing someone else’s water. It won’t be the first time a water metre has had to be dug up for a check around that area.

    As for the continuing behavour of the progress association, well it seems nothing has changed. There is no point being dissapointed as there was never a good impression to start off with. But if you think that having this small, pathetic amount of power over pensioners, children and animals will give you eternal happiness, think again. You will be judged by your deeds.

    Media Release:

    SOUTH Australians will have to wait at least another week for relief from the record-breaking heatwave. Adelaide endured its third consecutive day above 40 degrees today, with the weather bureau predicting at least another three. But even then the mercury is expected to stay in the high 30s well into next week. The extreme conditions continue to put pressure on emergency services, public transport and power supplies.

    Health Minister John Hill (Phone 8463 6270) is urging South Australians – and particularly the elderly and young children – to keep cool with the state in the grip of a potentially record breaking November hot spell.

    “The Bureau of Meteorology is forecasting temperatures topping 30 degrees for at least the next five days peaking near 40 degrees by Tuesday,’’ he said.

    “I’m calling on South Australians to take care of themselves, their families and their neighbours during this hot weather.

    “In particular I urge people to take care of the elderly, young children and babies as they are most at risk during the heat. People who are ill also need to take extra precautions and be monitored and protected against the heat.

    “Babies are really affected by the heat and they need extra attention and care during hot spells. Make sure our most vulnerable are well hydrated, and that they keep out of the sun and make the most of fans and air-conditioners.”

    “Anyone with symptoms of heat exhaustion included nausea, faintness and dizziness, loss of appetite, weakness, headaches and vomiting, and people showing these signs should be assisted to seek urgent medical attention through their GP, our new GP Plus Health Care Centres or the Emergency Department of their nearest hospital.”

    Comment by Margaret — January 29, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

  206. Margaret, could you please email me with your email add?
    We start shearing tomorrow, so I will contact you in the evening
    when I have more time. Again, many thanks.
    Stay cool!
    cheers
    gina

    Comment by gina — January 29, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

  207. Dear Gina, I’ll find a way to contact you.
    I missed the bit where you said your mum was 78. There seems to be a great intolerance amongst the “elite” over there, that knows no bounds. Can’t see what there is to achieve. Notoriety amongst 100 people? Surely not. Sounds like real redneck country.

    What is in the water over there? Perhaps when you eventually get it tested, you’ll all get a refund plus some! After all they do have to sell you “clean water”. Are they having it tested and publishing the results? I imagine that’s one of their responsibilities, to guarantee their sales. What happened with the water recycling system you were supposed to get? Now there will be a very good reason for that. I Imagine with Beverley mine insitu leaching and the other contaminants from the zinc and lead, not to mention the coal dust. You might have a serious problem which could explain a lot of things with the longer term residents. If someone has suggested alternative water, then my guess is it’s long overdue.

    Shouldn’t be too hard to get the water accounts investigated. Unless of course someone does some pretty quick internal auditing and comes up with a more reasonable figure for one 78 year old lady who doesn’t leave her taps running all day. But then I can see above that they can’t read properly anyway, so we might have to do it a different way.

    Comment by Margaret — January 30, 2009 @ 12:24 am

  208. “#3. Not sure where I got the idea that Progress Associations were there to ‘look after’ the community. Is the community just the businesses and tourist ventures in Copley?
    Where would these businesses be without the support of all those older citizens who have put so much energy and years into the town? Isn’t it time that CDPA put community and the people which make up that community, first instead of last…way behind business, tourism, and bank accounts.

    Comment by di Su Pointed — March 29, 2008 @ 1:22 pm”

    Wow, this comment was nearly a year ago….anything changed?

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 30, 2009 @ 10:28 am

  209. “#199

    #185

    “This is interesting logic. If the meter showed that it wasn’t used, does she have to pay for it?

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 19, 2009 @ 11:15 pm”

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 28, 2009 @ 6:21 pm”

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 30, 2009 @ 11:25 am

  210. oh, Margaret…the solar water purifying unit is meant to arrive in Feb sometime. Looks like a timely installation. Many thanks to Ian Copley and Rotary for organising this for Copley.

    Comment by di — January 30, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

  211. Glad to hear that the water is going to be purified at last. Do you know what water they are purifying? I’d like to cover this as a Regional first since Maralinga.

    Warm today, isn’t it? Hope we aren’t in for another dust storm. We’ve all had sore throats since the last one.

    Comment by Margaret — January 31, 2009 @ 11:10 am

  212. Reply to post #198

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    Comment by Rose — January 31, 2009 @ 12:57 pm

  213. Reply to post #199

    Con Cerned, if you keep asking the question often enough you will eventually work it out for yourself.

    Comment by Rose — January 31, 2009 @ 1:00 pm

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    Comment by Rose — January 31, 2009 @ 1:05 pm

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    Comment by Rose — January 31, 2009 @ 1:28 pm

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    Comment by Rose — January 31, 2009 @ 1:38 pm

  217. Rely to post #207

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    Comment by Rose — January 31, 2009 @ 1:41 pm

  218. Great news! I got a call from Office of State Local Government Relations
    guaranteeing Mum’s water would not be disconnected. Sanity at last!

    Comment by gina — January 31, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

  219. #

    “#199

    #185

    “This is interesting logic. If the meter showed that it wasn’t used, does she have to pay for it?

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 19, 2009 @ 11:15 pm”

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 28, 2009 @ 6:21 pm”

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 30, 2009 @ 11:25 am

    Dear Concerned
    The answer to your question is Yes, she has paid for it –
    This information is straight off our CDPA accounts
    30/3/2004 meter read 5135
    01/4/2004 meter read 4944 [yes, 1 day later]
    28/4/2005 meter read 5135 on year later
    Its a amazing isn’t it!

    Comment by gina — January 31, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

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    Comment by Margaret — January 31, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

  221. thank you for answering my question gina

    “a MaGiC mETeR…
    bAcKwArD
    fOrWaRd
    aBlE tO rEvErT
    bAcK tO aNoThErS
    rEaDiNg…
    oHhh
    MaGiC mEtEr iNdEeD?”
    Comment by KiCkInG BiRd — January 25, 2009 @ 4:17 pm”

    He is right, isn’t he!!!!!

    Comment by Con Cerned — January 31, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

  222. Yeah, well there are devices like that. Sort’ve like when a mechanic winds the odometre back on the car just before he sells it. Are we getting warm Kicking bird? bzzt, bzzt, backwards or forwards we go. Profit either way. My mate reckons it would work. Nah?

    Comment by Dave T — January 31, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

  223. Right at this moment, the main thing is our community members are
    safe and have water.

    Comment by gina — February 1, 2009 @ 11:38 am

  224. We are so glad Nan still has water.
    xxxx
    Morgaine, Siobhan and Fionn xxx

    Comment by Morgaine, Siobhan and Fionn — February 1, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

  225. Now this is unbelievable – my water meter was removed from the shop block
    tonight – and I have paid my bill!!!!
    Tonight I will pray for peace, brains, rains and chocolate….
    peace & Light
    gina

    Comment by gina — February 1, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

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